Re: Sore heads/Lance list, all Lance all the time

["Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@xxxxxxxxx>]

You would think with that Scandihoovian name like Jacobson you would have a
little more common sense than it appears you do.>>Greg O.

Greg--do yourself a big favor and spend a little more time on some Celtic
discussion rather than perpetuating the namecalling.

If you don't know how to spell "Scandinavian", look it up.  If you don't
have a dictionary, ask one of your online buddies to check for you.  But
DON'T ask for a ceasefire via an inflammatory, 3-page post like that piece
you wrote for the benefit of your Anger Management class.  It's pretty
nasty, especially from an enlightened, reprieved soul like yourself.

"hypocrite. . .detention spanking. . . Napoleonic (I'm six feet tall, Greg).
. . .rants. . fits. . .run out of meds. . .lights on, nobody home. . .more
common sense than it appears you do. . . .callous and presumptuous. . .stomp
on the rules. . ...common bully. . . proverbial weight  (which proverb had
the "weight" in it--Humpty Dumpty?). . . .denser Lance. . .childish and
boorish. . .moronic language. . .dropped on (his) head. .. .ostrich egg
falling far from the tree (some tree, huh?). . .hate-filled diatribes. . .
dumb, dumber, ignorant . . comb your eyebrow. . .stupidity. . .lonely. .
.cowardice bully (!)

Well, Greg, I kind of thought we might become friends, but I guess there's
just too much between us at this point.

Sigh.  Maybe next season.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Odegaard" <grodeg@kalama.com>
To: <Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Sore heads/Lance list, all Lance all the time


> Lance, yes you Lance,
> I have directed many many posts to you on list and not and you can't get
> your head out of your rear end long enough to listen to any advice anyone
> here gives you. What about all the very good, reasonable listees who have
> asked very nicely and rationally to knock this crap off?  Did you forget
all
> those messages or are you only inclined to respond the few that won't let
> you off so easily?
>
> What a freaking hypocrite (did I spell that correctly or do I need a
> detention spanking Lanceroni?) you call everyone else names, exactly as
you
> see fit or however it fits your hourly Napoleonic rants and fits.  You are
> laughable, as am I, but at least I can see the forest for the trees, and
not
> really try to take myself too seriously. I would recommend the same for
you.
>
> Let me do something you insist on doing. Here is your own message, so
rudely
> thrown back at Paul:
> "I don't attack posters personally.  I may attack their views, and be
> sarcastic at that.  Seems that I'm the one being called names."
>
> The only thing I can think to say after reading this is, what are you
> smoking boy? Is there Dr. Lance and Mr. Jacobson?  It reads like the
lights
> maybe on but no one is home?  Did you run out of meds Lance? Do you need
> someone on this list to help get it filled at the RiteAid? You would think
> with that Scandihoovian name like Jacobson you would have a little more
> common sense than it appears you do. Using your word, what gives you the
> right to attack anyone for any reason, unless they somehow had done the
> same? What gives you the right to be so callous and presumptuous? Is it
your
> goal to run off all the lurkers who might only have the nerve to post
once,
> hoping not to bring down your childish wrath? What good would that be?
>
> You criticize those who don't post just the way you want them to, but yet
> where were you for all these years? If your wisdom is so valuable and
> learned why did you deprive us year and after year of this education each
> season, that we stupid idiots so clearly were lacking?  Ray can be a pain,
> and not come close to playing by the rules, but you don't care what or
even
> if there are rules. You stomp on them daily and throw your proverbial
weight
> around like the likely common bully you apparently want to be.
>
> For all newbees or lurkers, my message is the same, as unfortunately it
must
> be too hard for the denser Lance like crowd to understand, come one come
> all. Speak freely, and openly. IF you act childish and boorish like Lance
> here, expect some feedback.  Act responsibly and expect feedback and more
> than just an ounce of respect. Is Lance speaking moronic language only him
> and maybe Ryan understand.  Is this the lifetime effect of being dropped
on
> their heads as children? Makes one wonder.
>
> Lance, you and all are welcome to talk Celtics, sounds pretty reasonable
on
> this list, but to stop the trash talking will have to start with you.  Not
> many are going to take your side in that argument.  Don't you even get
> yourself for 1 second?  The ostrich egg doesn't apparently fall far from
the
> tree here.
>
> Your posts would have significance if you didn't keep cutting everyone
down.
> IF you truly want respect you are going to have to earn it, and so far
your
> account has to go up to get to zero.
>
> Again, just once read your own hate filled diatribes, many against people
> who have never given you a reason to be so spiteful. What did someone like
> Snoopy ever do to you?  Kim sure painted you in a corner what with your
> sending viruses to the list, then playing dumb and dumber, and ignorant
and
> blaming others, just because you weren't man enough to admit it was you or
> you could be less than some perfect Adonis. Whether you can understand it,
> admit it or even imagine this while you comb your eyebrow in the mirror,
you
> aren't half as clever and witty as you think you are. Stupidity clearly
has
> it's downside for the speed bumps in life. Reality, check it out.
>
> I imagine you are pretty lonely now and will be for decades to come. My
> advice, get help now why it still might mean something.
>
> Ranting yes, but someone has to do it, unless he scares off everyone in
the
> process. Oh to have a face to face for just the few seconds it would take
to
> put this cowardice bully down and in his place.
>
> Later (waiting Lance's very cute and somehow manipulated cut and paste
> frenzy response).
> Keeping the bandwidth free from rude and boorish lunkheads like us all, oh
> and by the way Go Celtics!!
> Greg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> To: "Greg Odegaard" <grodeg@kalama.com>; "Paul M. Moriarty"
<pmm@igtc.com>;
> <Celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Sore heads
>
>
> > An open letter to Paul M.
> >
> > This is the kind of post that prompts my cynicsim.  Greg is the Great
> > Liberator, ready to heal all the wounds, open the door to the oppressed
> > lurker and defend the predictor of a perfect 82-0 season for our beloved
> > Celtics.
> >
> > I'm afraid that Greg can't call me by name because he's really not
> > interested in addressing me directly, but would rather appeal to you
with
> my
> > post directly below.
> >
> > I'm not calling anybody names except Mr. Ode-to-God, which, from his
> appeal,
> > couldn't be far off in it's aptness.  I'm happy to see that there are
> > concerned posters and lurkers, but far too much time is spent on
> maintaining
> > an aura of "Early Posters Have Control" and a proper initiation period
in
> > which to lay dormant or chuckle over the wit of the Original Seven.
> >
> > Let's talk Celtics and stop the trash, and we can move on to the
> "on-topic"
> > issues that you insisted on in your email.  I seem to spend far more
time
> > defending my positions on posts of weeks ago than talking about the
> > re-emergence of Eric Williams, he of two full hands and two active
knees.
> >
> > Can these hoary old posters get over themselves enough to just discuss
the
> > issues of the Celts, rather than the membership rites?  Or don't they
have
> > opinions on the former?  Seems to me there's plenty to talk about.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Greg Odegaard <grodeg@kalama.com>
> > To: Paul M. Moriarty <pmm@igtc.com>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Sore heads
> >
> >
> > > Paul,
> > > As a past offender and detainee, I would recommend for the good of the
> > group
> > > that you consider a review block on myself and a few others, as you
see
> > fit.
> > > Those like myself who can appreciate the need, or mainly those who
have
> > > never had a stinking sock in their entire life, clutter up their life.
I
> > do
> > > believe that this can be managed, especially for those so damn
arrogant
> to
> > > not be able to take a hint, certainly a hint in the form of a punch
> right
> > > between the eyes.
> > >
> > > Would a few of these "men" even believe they could do or say anything
> > wrong?
> > > How bad is to continue in the face off all logic, and then have the
gall
> > to
> > > question "your" input. Frankly that sounds like a little kid just
asking
> > to
> > > be punished, even possibly daring you to do so.
> > >
> > > My actions in the past, for those that know or care, has always been
in
> > the
> > > vein of trying to rein in the list hounds and guerilla posters.  My BS
> > > detector once was a mighty sword to swing and bare.  I had and still
> have
> > > some of those detractors, but in it's day it was considered a
reasonable
> > > approach.  I too used to wax poetic more often about the good old days
> > > mainly with the C's. Dorine and I routinely longed for a finer time,
> long
> > > ago. Gene and Bill (where are you Bill) were always quick to a quip,
as
> > was
> > > Joe etc. Given the history of this team, history is very very
important.
> > > Laughing in the face of this fact or worse mocking it, always will
make
> > our
> > > collective rise quicker than anything.
> > >
> > > Remember those that posed as Magic and Jerry West. Does anyone know
what
> > > ever became of Noah?  Heck he might be welcome over the recent rash of
> > > arrogance mongers. At least the worst Noah did was post every 15
> minutes,
> > > but he did keep mainly on topic and kept it clean and free from hate.
> All
> > > we are asking is give peace a chance, and what is so funny about
peace,
> > love
> > > and understanding anyway?
> > >
> > > I for one am all for some level of expected tolerance, allowing the
> voice
> > > from the back row to be heard.
> > >
> > > To mock a lurker, a person just giving their prediction or worse to
post
> > > private posts to list, all should be counted as another tick on the
> > > countdown clock. This ain't just the pot calling the kettle black,
this
> is
> > a
> > > call for freedom to post without have your name or nickname being torn
> > apart
> > > or worse your opinion ridiculed.  There is no place for that crap
here,
> > IMO.
> > >
> > > Please, please all new or lurking listees post as you see fit or
desire.
> > We
> > > were all new once. Some control to the tone though must be exercised.
> > There
> > > is nothing wrong with absolutely of course running down the team, the
> > > players, the fans or the future cheerleaders, but there is no call for
> > > running down someone who just doesn't agree with you completely and
the
> > > horse you rode in on.
> > >
> > > If this friend is sarcasm then who needs enemies. Sarcasm at some
level
> is
> > > just plain fighting words, mighty easy to throw out here on a list,
> > > providing the basis for the cowards of the word to strut their
> collective
> > > stuff.
> > >
> > > Take care all, and Go Celtics!!
> > > Greg
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul M. Moriarty" <pmm@igtc.com>
> > > To: "Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> > > Cc: "Thomas, Ron K." <RKThomas@mail.ifas.ufl.edu>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Sore heads
> > >
> > >
> > > > Lance Jacobson writes:
> > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Ron:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your vote and opinion.  Frankly, I'm amused by the
> internet
> > > power of
> > > > > Lurkers, who expect to find entertainment wherever they surf, yet
> > > contribute nothing
> > > > > to the discourse.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lurkers are most welcome on the list.  They have been for the almost
> 10
> > > yrs
> > > > I've been hosting the list.  They will continue to be welcome as
long
> as
> > I
> > > > host it.
> > > >
> > > > > I doubt that this board's intention is to host offensive posts,
but
> > it's
> > > hard to
> > > > > understand exactly what you are trying to accomplish here.  "Can
we
> > all
> > > play nicely?"
> > > > > is a great theme, but there are some of us who don't care for the
> > > players, the
> > > > > coaches, the management, the media and even the biased or
misleading
> > > posts of others.
> > > > > I'm happy to say that I'll continue to post commentary on all of
the
> > > above, and if you
> > > > > don't like care to read it, feel free to filter or dump the mail.
> > > >
> > > > If you wish to express your discontent in a respectful manner, by
all
> > > means,
> > > > it is welcome on the list.  However, personal attacks, name-calling
> and
> > > > off-topic posting are not welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > - Paul -
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Maintainer, The Boston Celtics Mailing List.