Re: Sore heads

["Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@xxxxxxxxx>]

An open letter to Paul M.

This is the kind of post that prompts my cynicsim.  Greg is the Great
Liberator, ready to heal all the wounds, open the door to the oppressed
lurker and defend the predictor of a perfect 82-0 season for our beloved
Celtics.

I'm afraid that Greg can't call me by name because he's really not
interested in addressing me directly, but would rather appeal to you with my
post directly below.

I'm not calling anybody names except Mr. Ode-to-God, which, from his appeal,
couldn't be far off in it's aptness.  I'm happy to see that there are
concerned posters and lurkers, but far too much time is spent on maintaining
an aura of "Early Posters Have Control" and a proper initiation period in
which to lay dormant or chuckle over the wit of the Original Seven.

Let's talk Celtics and stop the trash, and we can move on to the "on-topic"
issues that you insisted on in your email.  I seem to spend far more time
defending my positions on posts of weeks ago than talking about the
re-emergence of Eric Williams, he of two full hands and two active knees.

Can these hoary old posters get over themselves enough to just discuss the
issues of the Celts, rather than the membership rites?  Or don't they have
opinions on the former?  Seems to me there's plenty to talk about.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Odegaard <grodeg@kalama.com>
To: Paul M. Moriarty <pmm@igtc.com>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Sore heads


> Paul,
> As a past offender and detainee, I would recommend for the good of the
group
> that you consider a review block on myself and a few others, as you see
fit.
> Those like myself who can appreciate the need, or mainly those who have
> never had a stinking sock in their entire life, clutter up their life. I
do
> believe that this can be managed, especially for those so damn arrogant to
> not be able to take a hint, certainly a hint in the form of a punch right
> between the eyes.
>
> Would a few of these "men" even believe they could do or say anything
wrong?
> How bad is to continue in the face off all logic, and then have the gall
to
> question "your" input. Frankly that sounds like a little kid just asking
to
> be punished, even possibly daring you to do so.
>
> My actions in the past, for those that know or care, has always been in
the
> vein of trying to rein in the list hounds and guerilla posters.  My BS
> detector once was a mighty sword to swing and bare.  I had and still have
> some of those detractors, but in it's day it was considered a reasonable
> approach.  I too used to wax poetic more often about the good old days
> mainly with the C's. Dorine and I routinely longed for a finer time, long
> ago. Gene and Bill (where are you Bill) were always quick to a quip, as
was
> Joe etc. Given the history of this team, history is very very important.
> Laughing in the face of this fact or worse mocking it, always will make
our
> collective rise quicker than anything.
>
> Remember those that posed as Magic and Jerry West. Does anyone know what
> ever became of Noah?  Heck he might be welcome over the recent rash of
> arrogance mongers. At least the worst Noah did was post every 15 minutes,
> but he did keep mainly on topic and kept it clean and free from hate.  All
> we are asking is give peace a chance, and what is so funny about peace,
love
> and understanding anyway?
>
> I for one am all for some level of expected tolerance, allowing the voice
> from the back row to be heard.
>
> To mock a lurker, a person just giving their prediction or worse to post
> private posts to list, all should be counted as another tick on the
> countdown clock. This ain't just the pot calling the kettle black, this is
a
> call for freedom to post without have your name or nickname being torn
apart
> or worse your opinion ridiculed.  There is no place for that crap here,
IMO.
>
> Please, please all new or lurking listees post as you see fit or desire.
We
> were all new once. Some control to the tone though must be exercised.
There
> is nothing wrong with absolutely of course running down the team, the
> players, the fans or the future cheerleaders, but there is no call for
> running down someone who just doesn't agree with you completely and the
> horse you rode in on.
>
> If this friend is sarcasm then who needs enemies. Sarcasm at some level is
> just plain fighting words, mighty easy to throw out here on a list,
> providing the basis for the cowards of the word to strut their collective
> stuff.
>
> Take care all, and Go Celtics!!
> Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul M. Moriarty" <pmm@igtc.com>
> To: "Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> Cc: "Thomas, Ron K." <RKThomas@mail.ifas.ufl.edu>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Sore heads
>
>
> > Lance Jacobson writes:
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Dear Ron:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your vote and opinion.  Frankly, I'm amused by the internet
> power of
> > > Lurkers, who expect to find entertainment wherever they surf, yet
> contribute nothing
> > > to the discourse.
> > >
> >
> > Lurkers are most welcome on the list.  They have been for the almost 10
> yrs
> > I've been hosting the list.  They will continue to be welcome as long as
I
> > host it.
> >
> > > I doubt that this board's intention is to host offensive posts, but
it's
> hard to
> > > understand exactly what you are trying to accomplish here.  "Can we
all
> play nicely?"
> > > is a great theme, but there are some of us who don't care for the
> players, the
> > > coaches, the management, the media and even the biased or misleading
> posts of others.
> > > I'm happy to say that I'll continue to post commentary on all of the
> above, and if you
> > > don't like care to read it, feel free to filter or dump the mail.
> >
> > If you wish to express your discontent in a respectful manner, by all
> means,
> > it is welcome on the list.  However, personal attacks, name-calling and
> > off-topic posting are not welcome.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > - Paul -
> >
> > --
> > Maintainer, The Boston Celtics Mailing List.