Re: Sore heads/Lance list, all Lance all the time

["Greg Odegaard" <grodeg@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Lance, yes you Lance,
I have directed many many posts to you on list and not and you can't get
your head out of your rear end long enough to listen to any advice anyone
here gives you. What about all the very good, reasonable listees who have
asked very nicely and rationally to knock this crap off?  Did you forget all
those messages or are you only inclined to respond the few that won't let
you off so easily?

What a freaking hypocrite (did I spell that correctly or do I need a
detention spanking Lanceroni?) you call everyone else names, exactly as you
see fit or however it fits your hourly Napoleonic rants and fits.  You are
laughable, as am I, but at least I can see the forest for the trees, and not
really try to take myself too seriously. I would recommend the same for you.

Let me do something you insist on doing. Here is your own message, so rudely
thrown back at Paul:
"I don't attack posters personally.  I may attack their views, and be
sarcastic at that.  Seems that I'm the one being called names."

The only thing I can think to say after reading this is, what are you
smoking boy? Is there Dr. Lance and Mr. Jacobson?  It reads like the lights
maybe on but no one is home?  Did you run out of meds Lance? Do you need
someone on this list to help get it filled at the RiteAid? You would think
with that Scandihoovian name like Jacobson you would have a little more
common sense than it appears you do. Using your word, what gives you the
right to attack anyone for any reason, unless they somehow had done the
same? What gives you the right to be so callous and presumptuous? Is it your
goal to run off all the lurkers who might only have the nerve to post once,
hoping not to bring down your childish wrath? What good would that be?

You criticize those who don't post just the way you want them to, but yet
where were you for all these years? If your wisdom is so valuable and
learned why did you deprive us year and after year of this education each
season, that we stupid idiots so clearly were lacking?  Ray can be a pain,
and not come close to playing by the rules, but you don't care what or even
if there are rules. You stomp on them daily and throw your proverbial weight
around like the likely common bully you apparently want to be.

For all newbees or lurkers, my message is the same, as unfortunately it must
be too hard for the denser Lance like crowd to understand, come one come
all. Speak freely, and openly. IF you act childish and boorish like Lance
here, expect some feedback.  Act responsibly and expect feedback and more
than just an ounce of respect. Is Lance speaking moronic language only him
and maybe Ryan understand.  Is this the lifetime effect of being dropped on
their heads as children? Makes one wonder.

Lance, you and all are welcome to talk Celtics, sounds pretty reasonable on
this list, but to stop the trash talking will have to start with you.  Not
many are going to take your side in that argument.  Don't you even get
yourself for 1 second?  The ostrich egg doesn't apparently fall far from the
tree here.

Your posts would have significance if you didn't keep cutting everyone down.
IF you truly want respect you are going to have to earn it, and so far your
account has to go up to get to zero.

Again, just once read your own hate filled diatribes, many against people
who have never given you a reason to be so spiteful. What did someone like
Snoopy ever do to you?  Kim sure painted you in a corner what with your
sending viruses to the list, then playing dumb and dumber, and ignorant and
blaming others, just because you weren't man enough to admit it was you or
you could be less than some perfect Adonis. Whether you can understand it,
admit it or even imagine this while you comb your eyebrow in the mirror, you
aren't half as clever and witty as you think you are. Stupidity clearly has
it's downside for the speed bumps in life. Reality, check it out.

I imagine you are pretty lonely now and will be for decades to come. My
advice, get help now why it still might mean something.

Ranting yes, but someone has to do it, unless he scares off everyone in the
process. Oh to have a face to face for just the few seconds it would take to
put this cowardice bully down and in his place.

Later (waiting Lance's very cute and somehow manipulated cut and paste
frenzy response).
Keeping the bandwidth free from rude and boorish lunkheads like us all, oh
and by the way Go Celtics!!
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@attbi.com>
To: "Greg Odegaard" <grodeg@kalama.com>; "Paul M. Moriarty" <pmm@igtc.com>;
<Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Sore heads


> An open letter to Paul M.
>
> This is the kind of post that prompts my cynicsim.  Greg is the Great
> Liberator, ready to heal all the wounds, open the door to the oppressed
> lurker and defend the predictor of a perfect 82-0 season for our beloved
> Celtics.
>
> I'm afraid that Greg can't call me by name because he's really not
> interested in addressing me directly, but would rather appeal to you with
my
> post directly below.
>
> I'm not calling anybody names except Mr. Ode-to-God, which, from his
appeal,
> couldn't be far off in it's aptness.  I'm happy to see that there are
> concerned posters and lurkers, but far too much time is spent on
maintaining
> an aura of "Early Posters Have Control" and a proper initiation period in
> which to lay dormant or chuckle over the wit of the Original Seven.
>
> Let's talk Celtics and stop the trash, and we can move on to the
"on-topic"
> issues that you insisted on in your email.  I seem to spend far more time
> defending my positions on posts of weeks ago than talking about the
> re-emergence of Eric Williams, he of two full hands and two active knees.
>
> Can these hoary old posters get over themselves enough to just discuss the
> issues of the Celts, rather than the membership rites?  Or don't they have
> opinions on the former?  Seems to me there's plenty to talk about.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Odegaard <grodeg@kalama.com>
> To: Paul M. Moriarty <pmm@igtc.com>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Sore heads
>
>
> > Paul,
> > As a past offender and detainee, I would recommend for the good of the
> group
> > that you consider a review block on myself and a few others, as you see
> fit.
> > Those like myself who can appreciate the need, or mainly those who have
> > never had a stinking sock in their entire life, clutter up their life. I
> do
> > believe that this can be managed, especially for those so damn arrogant
to
> > not be able to take a hint, certainly a hint in the form of a punch
right
> > between the eyes.
> >
> > Would a few of these "men" even believe they could do or say anything
> wrong?
> > How bad is to continue in the face off all logic, and then have the gall
> to
> > question "your" input. Frankly that sounds like a little kid just asking
> to
> > be punished, even possibly daring you to do so.
> >
> > My actions in the past, for those that know or care, has always been in
> the
> > vein of trying to rein in the list hounds and guerilla posters.  My BS
> > detector once was a mighty sword to swing and bare.  I had and still
have
> > some of those detractors, but in it's day it was considered a reasonable
> > approach.  I too used to wax poetic more often about the good old days
> > mainly with the C's. Dorine and I routinely longed for a finer time,
long
> > ago. Gene and Bill (where are you Bill) were always quick to a quip, as
> was
> > Joe etc. Given the history of this team, history is very very important.
> > Laughing in the face of this fact or worse mocking it, always will make
> our
> > collective rise quicker than anything.
> >
> > Remember those that posed as Magic and Jerry West. Does anyone know what
> > ever became of Noah?  Heck he might be welcome over the recent rash of
> > arrogance mongers. At least the worst Noah did was post every 15
minutes,
> > but he did keep mainly on topic and kept it clean and free from hate.
All
> > we are asking is give peace a chance, and what is so funny about peace,
> love
> > and understanding anyway?
> >
> > I for one am all for some level of expected tolerance, allowing the
voice
> > from the back row to be heard.
> >
> > To mock a lurker, a person just giving their prediction or worse to post
> > private posts to list, all should be counted as another tick on the
> > countdown clock. This ain't just the pot calling the kettle black, this
is
> a
> > call for freedom to post without have your name or nickname being torn
> apart
> > or worse your opinion ridiculed.  There is no place for that crap here,
> IMO.
> >
> > Please, please all new or lurking listees post as you see fit or desire.
> We
> > were all new once. Some control to the tone though must be exercised.
> There
> > is nothing wrong with absolutely of course running down the team, the
> > players, the fans or the future cheerleaders, but there is no call for
> > running down someone who just doesn't agree with you completely and the
> > horse you rode in on.
> >
> > If this friend is sarcasm then who needs enemies. Sarcasm at some level
is
> > just plain fighting words, mighty easy to throw out here on a list,
> > providing the basis for the cowards of the word to strut their
collective
> > stuff.
> >
> > Take care all, and Go Celtics!!
> > Greg
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul M. Moriarty" <pmm@igtc.com>
> > To: "Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> > Cc: "Thomas, Ron K." <RKThomas@mail.ifas.ufl.edu>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: Sore heads
> >
> >
> > > Lance Jacobson writes:
> > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > Dear Ron:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your vote and opinion.  Frankly, I'm amused by the
internet
> > power of
> > > > Lurkers, who expect to find entertainment wherever they surf, yet
> > contribute nothing
> > > > to the discourse.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Lurkers are most welcome on the list.  They have been for the almost
10
> > yrs
> > > I've been hosting the list.  They will continue to be welcome as long
as
> I
> > > host it.
> > >
> > > > I doubt that this board's intention is to host offensive posts, but
> it's
> > hard to
> > > > understand exactly what you are trying to accomplish here.  "Can we
> all
> > play nicely?"
> > > > is a great theme, but there are some of us who don't care for the
> > players, the
> > > > coaches, the management, the media and even the biased or misleading
> > posts of others.
> > > > I'm happy to say that I'll continue to post commentary on all of the
> > above, and if you
> > > > don't like care to read it, feel free to filter or dump the mail.
> > >
> > > If you wish to express your discontent in a respectful manner, by all
> > means,
> > > it is welcome on the list.  However, personal attacks, name-calling
and
> > > off-topic posting are not welcome.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > - Paul -
> > >
> > > --
> > > Maintainer, The Boston Celtics Mailing List.