The VR6 has been around since 88. In production since 92 I had a 1990 3.1 liter Olds Cutlass, drove from new, into the ground. I think it had 140 hp. b- > Can you think of another 2.8 litre 12V motor that puts out 172 hp? 172 > hp is respectable for the VR6, especially since it dates back to 92. > > GM was lucky to get 155-160 hp out of their 3.1 in 92. :-) > > -Mike