Re: Pitino Going To...

[Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>]

Now don't be sensitive, but try some honesty. The Celts may next season
turn things around, but this season has been a complete disaster. That's
period!!

At 10:10 AM 4/8/00 -0300, you wrote:
>Why is it that when I try to post something, without being condescending,
>you try to turn it into something else?  Not intended to be a "sermon" as
>you call it, merely being realistic as you claim to be.
>
>Who wants to come to Boston?  Vin Baker, Derek Anderson and Tony Delk for
>starters.  Do you think Chris Herren would be opposed to playing here?
>Perhaps, I guess.  But I'd bet he would take a hometown discount figuring it
>would pay off for him down the road.
>
>Why are you so infatuated with the Celtic Pride of the past?  You don't even
>like anything about this team.  Thanks for the information of it being an 82
>game season.  However those few good games would not have occurred unless
>the C's had some talent and ability.  It doesn't just happen.  And the
>majority of their losses the past few weeks have been extremely close.  They
>fizzle out at the end, as you alluded to sometime ago.  Doesn't mean they
>suck.  Means they are coming up short and still have work to do.
>
>And yes, I believe that there has been effort put out lately.  I think some
>of the players have shown alot of heart during this funk.  Also, and I want
>to single out Dana.  From listening to WEEI yesterday, it seems that he was
>very vocal about how unprofessional it was of some players, to behave
>foolishly during the "why me" game recently.  He may have been the initiator
>of the conversation on the plane ride back to Boston.  Not that he'll get
>any credit for anything from you.
>
>It appears that you like to be negative.  I don't look at things in the same
>light, but why must you be so condescending?
>
>Cecil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
>To: <celtics@igtc.com>
>Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 7:49 AM
>Subject: Re: Pitino Going To...
>
>
>> Nice sermon, but give us a clue of someone wanting to come to Boston,
>> Rodman not included. Last time I looked it is an 82 game season, we played
>> just a few good ones. Do you really believe there has been an effort
>> lately? Their a disgrace to a once long ago tradition of pride. With all
>> the money spent and effort, their not much better than the ML years. They
>> look good on paper, but dress them and they *suck*
>>
>> At 09:51 PM 4/7/00 -0300, you wrote:
>> >Well Dan, you have your way of looking at it.  That's fine.  Fact is you
>> >know about as much of what you're talking about as I do about what it is
>> >like to walk on the moon.  No team out there is saying we suck but nice
>> >effort.  No team who sucks could have beaten some of the teams we have
>> >defeated this year.  No team who sucks could have had the terrible
>> >misfortune to lose several games on buzzer-beaters to teams you would
>call
>> >"good" as we have.  Perhaps it is your interpretation, but there are
>players
>> >and coaches who have praised our effort.  Who are you to say that they
>are
>> >merely paying lip service?  It's easy to kick them in the nuts when they
>are
>> >down, and, as others have pointed out on this list in the past, you seem
>to
>> >take pleasure in their ineptitude, though you will deny it to Hosanna in
>the
>> >highest.  I am NOT looking to start a flame war, just pointing out the
>> >facts.  I guess there are some on the list who like your style though, so
>> >keep on keepin' on.
>> >
>> >We play sporadic defense and do not move the ball like I would prefer and
>> >are a woeful crunchtime free throw shooting team, but above all else, our
>> >primary weakness is our youth, like it or not, and it can only be
>remedied
>> >in 2 ways, neither of which I think would appeal to you.
>> >
>> >Cecil
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
>> >To: <celtics@igtc.com>
>> >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:24 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Pitino Going To...
>> >
>> >
>> >> C'mon that's like charity. What team would say such things if we beat
>> >them?
>> >> In plain English their saying we *suck* but nice effort. I'm sure the
>> >Celts
>> >> feel much better knowing that other teams think they put out. Yeah
>sure.
>> >In
>> >> fact I don't think I saw 10 good mentally played games this season let
>> >> alone physically.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 07:52 PM 4/7/00 -0300, you wrote:
>> >> >Which players has he lost credibility with or is that just
>speculation?
>> >> >Each team I hear speak about us after a game commends the C's for
>their
>> >> >effot.  But it could just be communitst propaganda I suppose.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cecil
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
>> >> >To: <celtics@igtc.com>
>> >> >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:39 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: Pitino Going To...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> The situation and rumors, even in print is getting ugly. Pitino
>should
>> >for
>> >> >> the betterment of the Celtic organization remove himself from the
>> >> >premises.
>> >> >> He has lost most of his credibility with players and a lot in the
>> >League
>> >> >in
>> >> >> general. He can't be a lame duck coach because things will
>deteriorate
>> >> >next
>> >> >> season further..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's too bad his theory, gamble and experiments didn't work out. The
>> >NBA
>> >> >> has been built on solid thinking and not tinkering. You build a team
>> >with
>> >> >> solid defense, at least a basically defensive one.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 11:34 AM 4/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >> >> >No, he's definitely gone and should be. You can't have a lame duck-
>> >> >> >type coaching the team, and that's what Pitino is, after his
>various
>> >> >> >past pronouncements, which only encourages those players who
>dislike
>> >him
>> >> >> >to play bad, so they can get rid of him.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >As far as ex-Celtics/future Celtic coaches go: Dave Cowens is a
>> >> >> >winner; Bill Fitch is old reliable who always knew talent and how
>> >> >> >to use big men; Danny Ainge would be good after he gets tired of
>> >> >> >family life; DJ might be worth a shot; Chris Ford is too much
>> >> >> >of a retread; ML is good if you're into tanking and wasting a
>> >> >> >season; Bird hates the Gastons; Silas is somewhat of a retread...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Forget the coach - The most important thing is a top flight GM -
>> >> >> >That should be Gaston's and Pond's first priority.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Elgin W Booth wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I think you will see him here one more year then leave for
>college
>> >> >after
>> >> >> >> next year (Tubby leaves after son Saul graduates) or North
>Carolina
>> >> >> >> (Guthridge retires). It is somewhat unlikely but possibly also
>UNLV,
>> >I
>> >> >> >> know he loves to turn around a once perrenial power-type program
>> >that
>> >> >has
>> >> >> >> been down for some time.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I am expecting him here another year, then I agree that I would
>like
>> >to
>> >> >> >> see an ex-Celtic (Bird, Johnson, Ainge, Silas) coach the team.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Way Of The Ray wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Back from the hospital, I see reports eminating out
>> >> >> >> > of Channel 7 in Boston about various college programs making
>> >> >> >> > contact with Il Duce. The latest is UNLV. Slick Rick would
>> >> >> >> > fit in poorly there, not cosmopolitan enough for his liking,
>> >> >> >> > although they could wow him with the biggest pay check in
>> >> >> >> > College Basketball and looser standards than other programs.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Kentucky got a mention a few day's back and I can definitely
>see
>> >> >> >> > Pitino returning there, if Tubby Smith moves on to the NBA.
>> >> >> >> > Ironic wouldn't it be, if Tubby came to the Celtics and Pitino
>> >> >> >> > went to Kentucky... Not going to happen though, the Tubby part
>> >that
>> >> >> >> > is...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > North Carolina was also mentioned as a program that contacted
>> >Pitino,
>> >> >> >> > presumbably before Bill Guthridge took them to the Final Four.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I'm sure as the day's dwindle down to the end of the season and
>> >> >> >> > Pitino's tenure with the Celtics, more colleges will join the
>> >> >> >> > fray...
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