Re: Pitino Going To...

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>]

Why is it that when I try to post something, without being condescending,
you try to turn it into something else?  Not intended to be a "sermon" as
you call it, merely being realistic as you claim to be.

Who wants to come to Boston?  Vin Baker, Derek Anderson and Tony Delk for
starters.  Do you think Chris Herren would be opposed to playing here?
Perhaps, I guess.  But I'd bet he would take a hometown discount figuring it
would pay off for him down the road.

Why are you so infatuated with the Celtic Pride of the past?  You don't even
like anything about this team.  Thanks for the information of it being an 82
game season.  However those few good games would not have occurred unless
the C's had some talent and ability.  It doesn't just happen.  And the
majority of their losses the past few weeks have been extremely close.  They
fizzle out at the end, as you alluded to sometime ago.  Doesn't mean they
suck.  Means they are coming up short and still have work to do.

And yes, I believe that there has been effort put out lately.  I think some
of the players have shown alot of heart during this funk.  Also, and I want
to single out Dana.  From listening to WEEI yesterday, it seems that he was
very vocal about how unprofessional it was of some players, to behave
foolishly during the "why me" game recently.  He may have been the initiator
of the conversation on the plane ride back to Boston.  Not that he'll get
any credit for anything from you.

It appears that you like to be negative.  I don't look at things in the same
light, but why must you be so condescending?

Cecil

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pitino Going To...


> Nice sermon, but give us a clue of someone wanting to come to Boston,
> Rodman not included. Last time I looked it is an 82 game season, we played
> just a few good ones. Do you really believe there has been an effort
> lately? Their a disgrace to a once long ago tradition of pride. With all
> the money spent and effort, their not much better than the ML years. They
> look good on paper, but dress them and they *suck*
>
> At 09:51 PM 4/7/00 -0300, you wrote:
> >Well Dan, you have your way of looking at it.  That's fine.  Fact is you
> >know about as much of what you're talking about as I do about what it is
> >like to walk on the moon.  No team out there is saying we suck but nice
> >effort.  No team who sucks could have beaten some of the teams we have
> >defeated this year.  No team who sucks could have had the terrible
> >misfortune to lose several games on buzzer-beaters to teams you would
call
> >"good" as we have.  Perhaps it is your interpretation, but there are
players
> >and coaches who have praised our effort.  Who are you to say that they
are
> >merely paying lip service?  It's easy to kick them in the nuts when they
are
> >down, and, as others have pointed out on this list in the past, you seem
to
> >take pleasure in their ineptitude, though you will deny it to Hosanna in
the
> >highest.  I am NOT looking to start a flame war, just pointing out the
> >facts.  I guess there are some on the list who like your style though, so
> >keep on keepin' on.
> >
> >We play sporadic defense and do not move the ball like I would prefer and
> >are a woeful crunchtime free throw shooting team, but above all else, our
> >primary weakness is our youth, like it or not, and it can only be
remedied
> >in 2 ways, neither of which I think would appeal to you.
> >
> >Cecil
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> >To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:24 PM
> >Subject: Re: Pitino Going To...
> >
> >
> >> C'mon that's like charity. What team would say such things if we beat
> >them?
> >> In plain English their saying we *suck* but nice effort. I'm sure the
> >Celts
> >> feel much better knowing that other teams think they put out. Yeah
sure.
> >In
> >> fact I don't think I saw 10 good mentally played games this season let
> >> alone physically.
> >>
> >>
> >> At 07:52 PM 4/7/00 -0300, you wrote:
> >> >Which players has he lost credibility with or is that just
speculation?
> >> >Each team I hear speak about us after a game commends the C's for
their
> >> >effot.  But it could just be communitst propaganda I suppose.
> >> >
> >> >Cecil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> >> >To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:39 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: Pitino Going To...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> The situation and rumors, even in print is getting ugly. Pitino
should
> >for
> >> >> the betterment of the Celtic organization remove himself from the
> >> >premises.
> >> >> He has lost most of his credibility with players and a lot in the
> >League
> >> >in
> >> >> general. He can't be a lame duck coach because things will
deteriorate
> >> >next
> >> >> season further..
> >> >>
> >> >> It's too bad his theory, gamble and experiments didn't work out. The
> >NBA
> >> >> has been built on solid thinking and not tinkering. You build a team
> >with
> >> >> solid defense, at least a basically defensive one.
> >> >>
> >> >> At 11:34 AM 4/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >> >> >No, he's definitely gone and should be. You can't have a lame duck-
> >> >> >type coaching the team, and that's what Pitino is, after his
various
> >> >> >past pronouncements, which only encourages those players who
dislike
> >him
> >> >> >to play bad, so they can get rid of him.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >As far as ex-Celtics/future Celtic coaches go: Dave Cowens is a
> >> >> >winner; Bill Fitch is old reliable who always knew talent and how
> >> >> >to use big men; Danny Ainge would be good after he gets tired of
> >> >> >family life; DJ might be worth a shot; Chris Ford is too much
> >> >> >of a retread; ML is good if you're into tanking and wasting a
> >> >> >season; Bird hates the Gastons; Silas is somewhat of a retread...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Forget the coach - The most important thing is a top flight GM -
> >> >> >That should be Gaston's and Pond's first priority.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Elgin W Booth wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think you will see him here one more year then leave for
college
> >> >after
> >> >> >> next year (Tubby leaves after son Saul graduates) or North
Carolina
> >> >> >> (Guthridge retires). It is somewhat unlikely but possibly also
UNLV,
> >I
> >> >> >> know he loves to turn around a once perrenial power-type program
> >that
> >> >has
> >> >> >> been down for some time.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am expecting him here another year, then I agree that I would
like
> >to
> >> >> >> see an ex-Celtic (Bird, Johnson, Ainge, Silas) coach the team.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Way Of The Ray wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Back from the hospital, I see reports eminating out
> >> >> >> > of Channel 7 in Boston about various college programs making
> >> >> >> > contact with Il Duce. The latest is UNLV. Slick Rick would
> >> >> >> > fit in poorly there, not cosmopolitan enough for his liking,
> >> >> >> > although they could wow him with the biggest pay check in
> >> >> >> > College Basketball and looser standards than other programs.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Kentucky got a mention a few day's back and I can definitely
see
> >> >> >> > Pitino returning there, if Tubby Smith moves on to the NBA.
> >> >> >> > Ironic wouldn't it be, if Tubby came to the Celtics and Pitino
> >> >> >> > went to Kentucky... Not going to happen though, the Tubby part
> >that
> >> >> >> > is...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > North Carolina was also mentioned as a program that contacted
> >Pitino,
> >> >> >> > presumbably before Bill Guthridge took them to the Final Four.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'm sure as the day's dwindle down to the end of the season and
> >> >> >> > Pitino's tenure with the Celtics, more colleges will join the
> >> >> >> > fray...
> >> >> >> > Ray
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