Re: [Fwd: SCARRRYY!!!!]

["S. Joseph Mann" <joem@pswtech.com>]

Ok guys, (George and Michael)

George, You're not getting my Bud Light, and Michael, you're right, its more fun
to fight (compete). And I think that's were this kind of bickering comes form.
A key characteristic of many of us (Car enthusiasts) is a heightened level of
competition.  And since we can not always compete directly with each other on
the street or track, it tends to come out in our emails.  YES, I can be an
asshole. I'll be the first to admit it.  Now George, I'm sure your a great guy
and a talented racer. But when someone comes out and says they almost lost
control of a perfectly derivable car, on four separate occasions, on public
roads, in the proximity of other vehicles, I'm going to stand up and say;
"IDIOT, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!!".  It's that simple.  I'm sure your a great guy,
but your story did not show a great deal of intelligence that evening.  Just
chill until you replace the crappy stock suspension. Don't do 10/10ths (as
Michael puts it) on public roads.  As for Canyon runs, I lived in Costa Mesa, in
Orange Co. for a year on a consulting gig.  I did a number of canyon runs in my
GLX with the ass hanging out all over the place, and I've taken my ex-girlfriend
GTI though a beautiful sweeping 90 degree turn sideways.  But there was no one
around. I endangered no ones life but my own.

Oh, Michael, I do live in Texas, Austin.  And I run a little VW club here.  As a
matter of fact, we're having a meeting this weekend at Rudy's BBQ on N 183. If
you're in the neighbor hood feel free to stop by.  That goes for anyone in the
area.

You're all good guys, and I wish you the best of luck on the TRACK.

Joe
President, AustinVW Club


Michael & Carmen Keith wrote:

> Joseph:
>
> If you have never come close to losing control, you're not pushing the car
> hard enough.
>
> Seriously though, I don't think your criticism of George's driving was
> warranted.  He was only trying to point out the drastic difference between a
> well modified suspension & a stock suspension, & his points are valid.
> However, you have to push a stock suspension very hard to notice any of
> this.  If you only drive the car at 7 to 8/10th's, it feels perfectly fine.
>
> I can relate to George's experience.  After a race weekend, my GLX (with
> stock suspension) feels like complete shit because I've become accustomed to
> driving a 2100 pound race car with sticky tire at 10/10th's.  I have to be
> really careful until I reacquaint myself with the GLX's substantially lower
> cornering limits.
>
> By the way, if you can't make it to CA so that George can spank you around
> the race track, come to Texas instead, & I'd be happy to do it for him.  I'm
> on your side George, but don't come near me with that Buick station wagon!
>
> Forget the group hug, it's more fun to fight!
>
> Michael Keith
> '98 Jetta GLX
> '85 Golf SCCA ITB/DSP

George Turner, Jr. wrote:

> ok...let me set the record straight.
> I know you all marvel at my stunning driving ability and would like to be like
> me!..8)
> but what I consider an almost accident may be different from some of you guys.
>
> I consider taking an onramp at 50 mph when I usually take the same ramp at
> 80..and half way thru the ramp there is a dip.  on the dip, the back end of
> the car hops into the next lane, almost hitting another car.  *almost accident
> #1*.. but my stunning driving ability allowed me to keep control of the car.
> I can honestly say that I can drive soo good, that I can do a 720 on the
> freeway in a Buick station wagon going 85+ mph and still keep the car
> rolling.. not rolling over, but going with the flow of traffic, and continue
> going with the flow of traffic.
> *almost accident #2*.. driving in a straight line @ 70mph and you come across
> a raised portion of the freeway.  with stock suspension, it darn near makes
> the car jump and bounce into the next lane, almost hitting another car.  with
> a race set up, the car does not bounce (but you would not know that if you
> never drove or owned one).  tens of thousands of people drive the same
> suspension every day, but not everyone is use to driving a finely tuned
> machine like mines.  I invite any of you to come *test* my driving skills out
> on some cali cyn's.  the last two people who challenged me are now driving
> rentals.  for some reason, they could not keep their cars on the pavement.  it
> is hard to drive a stock car when you are use to driving a race car.  I can
> honestly say, that if you never lost control of a car, you have not been
> driving long enough.  you have to lose control of your car a couple time to
> see what the car can do.  going around turns with your tires crying does not
> constit!
> ute pushing or racing your car.  when you become a real driver and stop
> playing around in rentals... come out with me and the Porsche club at willow
> springs and see how your glx will fare against mines...
> until next time... on the track, or on a cyn run...you call the shot.
> george (and his amazing driving skills)
> I am not afraid to say it....... I still love you.
> george