Re: [Fwd: SCARRRYY!!!!]

["S. Joseph Mann" <joem@pswtech.com>]

"Forget the group hug, it's more fun to fight!"

Rock on Garth!



Michael & Carmen Keith wrote:

> Joseph:
>
> If you have never come close to losing control, you're not pushing the car
> hard enough.
>
> Seriously though, I don't think your criticism of George's driving was
> warranted.  He was only trying to point out the drastic difference between a
> well modified suspension & a stock suspension, & his points are valid.
> However, you have to push a stock suspension very hard to notice any of
> this.  If you only drive the car at 7 to 8/10th's, it feels perfectly fine.
>
> I can relate to George's experience.  After a race weekend, my GLX (with
> stock suspension) feels like complete shit because I've become accustomed to
> driving a 2100 pound race car with sticky tire at 10/10th's.  I have to be
> really careful until I reacquaint myself with the GLX's substantially lower
> cornering limits.
>
> By the way, if you can't make it to CA so that George can spank you around
> the race track, come to Texas instead, & I'd be happy to do it for him.  I'm
> on your side George, but don't come near me with that Buick station wagon!
>
> Forget the group hug, it's more fun to fight!
>
> Michael Keith
> '98 Jetta GLX
> '85 Golf SCCA ITB/DSP
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Turner, Jr. <george@dxnet.com>
> To: jettaglx@igtc.com <jettaglx@igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: SCARRRYY!!!!]
>
> >ok...let me set the record straight.
> >I know you all marvel at my stunning driving ability and would like to be
> like me!..8)
> >but what I consider an almost accident may be different from some of you
> guys.
> >I consider taking an onramp at 50 mph when I usually take the same ramp at
> 80..and half way thru the ramp there is a dip.  on the dip, the back end of
> the car hops into the next lane, almost hitting another car.  *almost
> accident #1*.. but my stunning driving ability allowed me to keep control of
> the car.
> >I can honestly say that I can drive soo good, that I can do a 720 on the
> freeway in a Buick station wagon going 85+ mph and still keep the car
> rolling.. not rolling over, but going with the flow of traffic, and continue
> going with the flow of traffic.
> >*almost accident #2*.. driving in a straight line @ 70mph and you come
> across a raised portion of the freeway.  with stock suspension, it darn near
> makes the car jump and bounce into the next lane, almost hitting another
> car.  with a race set up, the car does not bounce (but you would not know
> that if you never drove or owned one).  tens of thousands of people drive
> the same suspension every day, but not everyone is use to driving a finely
> tuned machine like mines.  I invite any of you to come *test* my driving
> skills out on some cali cyn's.  the last two people who challenged me are
> now driving rentals.  for some reason, they could not keep their cars on the
> pavement.  it is hard to drive a stock car when you are use to driving a
> race car.  I can honestly say, that if you never lost control of a car, you
> have not been driving long enough.  you have to lose control of your car a
> couple time to see what the car can do.  going around turns with your tires
> crying does not constit!
> >ute pushing or racing your car.  when you become a real driver and stop
> playing around in rentals... come out with me and the Porsche club at willow
> springs and see how your glx will fare against mines...
> >until next time... on the track, or on a cyn run...you call the shot.
> >george (and his amazing driving skills)
> >I am not afraid to say it....... I still love you.
> >george
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: S. Joseph Mann <joem@pswtech.com>
> >To: jettaglx@igtc.com <jettaglx@igtc.com>
> >Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 7:54 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Fwd: SCARRRYY!!!!]
> >
> >
> >>George when I grow up I want to be just like you. Yeah!  Ok, this "Can't
> >>we all get along" crap is getting deep.
> >>
> >>As for your stunning ability to drive a car, if I'm not mistaken you
> >>told us just last night that you almost lost control of a vehicle with a
> >>stock suspension that tens of thousands of people around the word drive
> >>every FREAKING DAY!!.  And, George, they don't seem to have a problem.
> >>It must be that stunning driving ability of yours.
> >>
> >>I travel a great deal, and in doing so I rent many different cars. All,
> >>make my GLX seem like a formula one racer. In my travels I've had the
> >>pleasure of driving everything from a Geo Prism to a Buick LaSabre with
> >>the oh so cushy Dynaride suspension. Surprisingly, and much to your
> >>chagrin, I have yet to loose control of a single vehicle.  It must be my
> >>adolescent, impoverished, inept driving ability.
> >>
> >>Now, as for putting people down, flaming the intelligently challenged,
> >>and generally just given folks shit,...IF I ever compose an email with
> >>content stating that I can not control well know, mass produced,
> >>European sports sedan, PLEEEEASE! abuse me heavily. Very heavily.
> >>
> >>:)
> >>
> >>
> >>George Turner, Jr. wrote:
> >>
> >>> <<<<<<<<<<<<WITH ALL DUE RESPECT>>>>>>>>>
> >>>  IN RESPONSE TO EVERYONE
> >>> I know how to drive, I am sure I drive much better than those attempting
> to put
> >>> me down.  Once you can beat me on the autocross coarse, or on the
> track... then
> >>> talk to me.  Also, I do not drink, never have,  never will.
> >>> I basically never owned a stock glx.  I preferred to change it when I
> got mines
> >>> because I did not like the way it felt.  I have never owned a car whose
> stock
> >>> suspension was soo bad.  My previous car was a passat, and it handled
> much better
> >>> than the glx with no mods.. before that I owned a Porsche 944 turbo.  To
> go from
> >>> cars that handle pretty good with no mods to a car than sucked is mind
> boggling.
> >>> I am not the one to slide assignee comments in on anyone.  I dont treat
> you that
> >>> way, and dont expect any of you to treat me that way.  If you have a
> problem with
> >>> something I say, be a bigger man and take it off the list.  THAT IS FOR
> EVERYONE.
> >>> you can email me privately, or even call me and express your feelings.
> 310-671-6962.
> >>> I put up with reading all the childish bickering for the past couple
> days because
> >>> some else expressed their opinion on something they see daily.  ALL I
> HAVE TO SAY IS > GROW UP!.
> >>> I thought this list was to express experiences, tell what works and what
> doesn't,
> >>> and where to get the best deals... if I am wrong..someone please let me
> know.  it
> >>> amazes me to see how grown men can act.  the ones usually doing the
> silly comments
> >>> are the ones who usually cannot afford the mods others talk about.
> jealousy is a
> >>> silly thing. we are here to accomplish a common goal... fix up and enjoy
> our VW's.
> >>> not put down the next man for their thoughts and experiences.
> >>> george (a very disappointed list member)
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: S. Joseph Mann <joem@pswtech.com>
> >>> To: jettaglx@igtc.com <jettaglx@igtc.com>
> >>> Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 10:31 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: SCARRRYY!!!!
> >>>
> >>> >George,
> >>> >
> >>> >(I almost crashed 4 times!) PLEASE! With all due respect, literally,
> >>> >LEARN TO DRIVE. OR, verify that all the original parts are connected
> >>> >properly, i.e. SWAY BARS!  I've driven my bone stock GLX for over 3
> >>> >years, often at the limits of it's speed, and never once come close to
> >>> >loosing control.
> >>> >
> >>> >Your car does not GIVE you control, you EXERT it.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> George Turner, Jr. wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>    I experienced one of the scariest things ever over the weekend.  I
> >>> >> drove a GLX with STOCK suspension! (no disrespect to fellow glx'ers
> >>> >> with stock suspension)  To make a long story short.. I got rid of my
> >>> >> carrera coil overs and put back on my stock suspension till the H&R's
> >>> >> come in.  I have been driving my car with a performance suspension
> >>> >> about 3 weeks after I got it and forgot what it feels like to drive a
> >>> >> stock GLX.  On Friday night I had to drive about 30 miles to a
> friends
> >>> >> house to pick up a banner for the VW club, on the way I almost
> crashed
> >>> >> 4 times!  I never knew changing lanes, going on and off on ramps,
> and
> >>> >> uneven roads could be soo dangerous!  I was never soo scared to drive
> >>> >> a car before in my life.  It got to the point where I almost pulled
> >>> >> over and called AAA for a tow back home!  The car totally has a
> >>> >> different personality..  I hit a bump while driving and turning at
> the
> >>> >> same time and the car almost jumped totally into the next lane.
> >>> >> SCARY!!  even a crappy suspension set up is better than driving a car
> >>> >> stock!  spinning out on the freeway while going 95 mph in traffic
> does
> >>> >> not compare to how scared I was driving the car with stock
> >>> >> suspension.
> >>> >> MORAL:  forget chips, rims, and all that other stuff...change your
> >>> >> suspension FIRST!!!
> >>> >> btw..I measured the difference between the stock set up and the
> height
> >>> >> in had the car with the coil overs.. it was 3 1/4 inches!!  The ride
> >>> >> quality was still pretty good..
> >>> >> George
> >>> >
> >>
> >