Re: No more excuses

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Now let's get our facts straight Cecil. I made that statement prior to the
Delk Rogers trade. After that deal my outlook changed completely.
Understand, I am a Celtic fan. Just a sober one.

DanF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: No more excuses


> Does anyone else recall last year, around this same time, when Dan boldly
> predicted that we would not only miss out on the playoffs, but if we were
> lucky enough to make it, we would be ousted in round 1?
>
> Facts are facts.
>
> Cecil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> To: <Celtic4Hire@AOL.com>; <celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com>;
> <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:20 PM
> Subject: Re: No more excuses
>
>
> > Facts are facts. Congratulations. There are others on this list that
think
> > the moon is made of green cheese. They also will come to some sad
> > conclusions with 30+ games left..........sadly.
> >
> > DanF
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Celtic4Hire@aol.com>
> > To: <celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:49 PM
> > Subject: No more excuses
> >
> >
> > > Yesterday was a sea-change day for me. The Seattle game was an
> opportunity
> > to
> > > throw away all of the excuses. PP down and Battie down and we need
> > > athleticism and scoring. Obie's solution is to not play Vin or Brown
in
> > the
> > > second half  when they really needed them. I am now ready to join the
> > ranks
> > > of questioning all moves from the 2001 draft on. It has been a 1 and
1/2
> > and
> > > it is reasonable to think critically at this point, IMO. Some already
> have
> > > come to this conclusion so this is nothing new to them. It is just my
> > time.
> > > My reasons follow:
> > >
> > > It is simple. We had Kenny and a backup center (VP) and 3 2001 no. 1
> picks
> > (2
> > > of them lottery) and a 2002 pick. We now have 2 guard in a one's body
> > three
> > > point shooter in Delk, a backup center who is the 6th or 7th offensive
> > option
> > > who averages 18 minutes a game and a guy who doesn't play at all. That
> is
> > it.
> > > Based on the pure statistical facts and that Obie has indicated that
> this
> > is
> > > going to change, how could anyone not come to the conclusion that this
> was
> > a
> > > pure disaster?
> > >
> > > I put the reasons WHY the players that Wallace has gotten have
performed
> > so
> > > poorly  purely on Obie's shoulders with the exception of Forte who was
a
> > pure
> > > bust mistake. But a big part of the loss in value was the horrible JJ
> for
> > > Rogers and Delk trade. Wallace must be blamed for that and ultimately
he
> > is
> > > overall responsible. Obie is responsible for not developing his assets
> but
> > > ultimately, if Wallace is getting players that Obie refuses to play or
> > > develop, then there is something wrong in the GM/coach relationship.
> Since
> > > the GM is supposed to be above the coach, then ultimately it is his
> > > responsibiltity.
> > >
> > > The facts don't lie. Based on last night's game, we have nothing to
show
> > for
> > > Kenny and 4 no. 1 assets. Delk is worth not worth anymore than a Jimmy
> > > Jackson free agent type, Vin is debit at his salary base on how Obie
> uses
> > him
> > > (you could consider his contract as goodwill ;>)). I don't think
Kedrick
> > will
> > > be used the rest of this year. At this rate, he could only develop
into
> a
> > > partial performer next year. Even if he did breakout in his fourth
year,
> > he
> > > would be dumping us at first chance. This isn't what you expect out of
a
> > > lottery pick, a return four years from now. You can sign someone
else's
> > free
> > > agent four years from now. Who knows what you got then.
> > >
> > > I personally feel both Vin and Brown can be valuable members to this
> > flawed
> > > team. But Obie had the perfect chance last night and he showed what he
> > > thinks. Therefore, someone must be held accountable. Either Wallace
> > totally
> > > screwed up every time, Wallace is partially to blame and the rest is
> Obie
> > for
> > > not developing or playing  or there is something wrong in the GM and
> coach
> > > relationship. No more excuses. I no longer think things are going to
> > change
> > > with Vin and Brown the way Obie is playing them. We are past the half
> way
> > > point....
> > >
> > > DJessen33