Re: No more excuses

[Cecil <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Does anyone else recall last year, around this same time, when Dan boldly
predicted that we would not only miss out on the playoffs, but if we were
lucky enough to make it, we would be ousted in round 1?

Facts are facts.

Cecil


----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
To: <Celtic4Hire@AOL.com>; <celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com>;
<celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: No more excuses


> Facts are facts. Congratulations. There are others on this list that think
> the moon is made of green cheese. They also will come to some sad
> conclusions with 30+ games left..........sadly.
>
> DanF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Celtic4Hire@aol.com>
> To: <celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:49 PM
> Subject: No more excuses
>
>
> > Yesterday was a sea-change day for me. The Seattle game was an
opportunity
> to
> > throw away all of the excuses. PP down and Battie down and we need
> > athleticism and scoring. Obie's solution is to not play Vin or Brown in
> the
> > second half  when they really needed them. I am now ready to join the
> ranks
> > of questioning all moves from the 2001 draft on. It has been a 1 and 1/2
> and
> > it is reasonable to think critically at this point, IMO. Some already
have
> > come to this conclusion so this is nothing new to them. It is just my
> time.
> > My reasons follow:
> >
> > It is simple. We had Kenny and a backup center (VP) and 3 2001 no. 1
picks
> (2
> > of them lottery) and a 2002 pick. We now have 2 guard in a one's body
> three
> > point shooter in Delk, a backup center who is the 6th or 7th offensive
> option
> > who averages 18 minutes a game and a guy who doesn't play at all. That
is
> it.
> > Based on the pure statistical facts and that Obie has indicated that
this
> is
> > going to change, how could anyone not come to the conclusion that this
was
> a
> > pure disaster?
> >
> > I put the reasons WHY the players that Wallace has gotten have performed
> so
> > poorly  purely on Obie's shoulders with the exception of Forte who was a
> pure
> > bust mistake. But a big part of the loss in value was the horrible JJ
for
> > Rogers and Delk trade. Wallace must be blamed for that and ultimately he
> is
> > overall responsible. Obie is responsible for not developing his assets
but
> > ultimately, if Wallace is getting players that Obie refuses to play or
> > develop, then there is something wrong in the GM/coach relationship.
Since
> > the GM is supposed to be above the coach, then ultimately it is his
> > responsibiltity.
> >
> > The facts don't lie. Based on last night's game, we have nothing to show
> for
> > Kenny and 4 no. 1 assets. Delk is worth not worth anymore than a Jimmy
> > Jackson free agent type, Vin is debit at his salary base on how Obie
uses
> him
> > (you could consider his contract as goodwill ;>)). I don't think Kedrick
> will
> > be used the rest of this year. At this rate, he could only develop into
a
> > partial performer next year. Even if he did breakout in his fourth year,
> he
> > would be dumping us at first chance. This isn't what you expect out of a
> > lottery pick, a return four years from now. You can sign someone else's
> free
> > agent four years from now. Who knows what you got then.
> >
> > I personally feel both Vin and Brown can be valuable members to this
> flawed
> > team. But Obie had the perfect chance last night and he showed what he
> > thinks. Therefore, someone must be held accountable. Either Wallace
> totally
> > screwed up every time, Wallace is partially to blame and the rest is
Obie
> for
> > not developing or playing  or there is something wrong in the GM and
coach
> > relationship. No more excuses. I no longer think things are going to
> change
> > with Vin and Brown the way Obie is playing them. We are past the half
way
> > point....
> >
> > DJessen33