Re: Trade Walker?

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Twangs co-cap and team leader stats speak for themselves.

Fg's 39%
3P% 32%
Ft's 60%
3's Attempts 555

Minimal improvement since NBA start.

Refs find him one of the biggest pains is the ass in the League.

Shows he's durable, 41 min., per game, but so is a coal miner.

Eric Williams gets to the line as much with far less minutes.

Much marketability is gone. Jordan expressed concern about his game growth.
National televised game announcers continually make note of his playing
outside rather then inside where forwards belong.

DanF





----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Trade Walker?


> Yeah right...And my way of thinking is so influential over the C's front
> office.  I prefer that to flip flopping all over the dial like you do
> depending on what happens game in and game out.  Go back through the
> archives and look at how many times you have said "maybe I'm wrong" and
"if
> they continue to play like this or that".  You twirl in the breeze like
> yesterday's laundry and then throw up stuff like this below when someone
> stands by the team.
>
> That's cool.  You'll continue to do it until the season ends at which time
> you'll say "as I've said all along ...5 minute game, etc"
>
> You have not reacted to the part of my post which said that despite having
> an off night, Walker still helped the team through 14 assists and 10
> rebounds.  Yeah, hurry up and jettison the guy and I'm sure you'll be ever
> so patient with whomever we received in exchange...for about 1 game
anyway.
>
> Cecil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
>
>
> > You see Boston's problems have arisen from thinking like yours. A bunch
of
> > apologists. Put off the inevitable. Things will get better. Gloss over
the
> > faults. A new coach and a whole new front office will not make things
> > better. They don't run the floor.
> >
> > DanF
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> >
> >
> > > If he hasn't learned a thing, that would make two of you.
> > >
> > > Cecil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> > > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Nice story. Nice guys finish last. Twang hasn't learned a thing
since
> > he's
> > > > been a Celt. I'm worried he's exposed himself for what he is and we
> > > couldn't
> > > > use him in a trade situation.
> > > >
> > > > DanF
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> > > > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 2:20 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Trade Walker?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dan,
> > > > >
> > > > > I call him a leader because that is how his teammates view him
> > > regardless
> > > > of his stats.  This team looks at Eric Williams as a leader also and
> > it's
> > > > not because of his stats.  It's because of his presence in the
> > lockerroom,
> > > > his willingness to help his teammates and a host of other
intangibles.
> > > You
> > > > predictably fail to mention anything positive about a game where he
> > > > admittedly did not play as well as he would have liked.  But I think
> the
> > > 14
> > > > assists and 10 boards is a healthy contribution, though he shot
> poorly.
> > > As
> > > > MJ said, he helped put the team in position to win the game even
> though
> > > his
> > > > shot was not falling.  I'm sure you are not purposely overlooking
that
> > > fact,
> > > > right?
> > > > >
> > > > > The dressing down that Walker gave his teammates last year,
included
> a
> > > > blurb about himself and Paul also, so it does not appear that he
> thinks
> > he
> > > > is above reproach, which is one sure way to gain the support of your
> > > fellow
> > > > players.
> > > > >
> > > > > If all you use to judge a leader is stats, then Lucious Harris is
a
> > > leader
> > > > in your eyes since he shoots a high percentage at the line.  I agree
> > about
> > > > the beefing with the refs, but he and Paul do get hacked quite a bit
> > with
> > > a
> > > > no-call, even though, in Paul's case, he still gets to the line
alot.
> > > There
> > > > are plenty of no-calls on him.  I would hope that everyone agrees
with
> > > that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cecil
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
> > > > > Sent: April 09, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > > > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cecil, with due respect, Twang is over-rated. Now I understand you
> > have
> > > > been
> > > > > involved in basketball. How can you call him a leader? Shooting
> > horrific
> > > > 3's
> > > > > and bad shooting percentage overall including foul shots. His
> > > contribution
> > > > > as a *leader* is to bitch to refs. Don't worry, I believe the
Kings
> of
> > > > > Boston won't trade him. Reason......your right, we may not get
equal
> > > > product
> > > > > in return.
> > > > >
> > > > > DanF
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> > > > > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:11 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: Trade Walker?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Twang, as Forant likes to call him, is not the problem with this
> > team
> > > as
> > > > > it's currently constructed.  Your pivots are Battie (injured) and
> > > Blount.
> > > > > Jeez Louise!!  Our backcourt features a guy who has hit the rookie
> > wall
> > > > > during the last few games of the regular season with us jockeying
> for
> > > > > playoff position, and a shooting guard who is forced to play out
of
> > > > > position.  Twang has his weaknesses for sure.  His free throw
> shooting
> > > has
> > > > > been friggin horrendous and his field goal percentage would
> certainly
> > > > > improve if he were more judicious in his attempts.  His defense is
> > weak
> > > at
> > > > > times and his decision making is suspect.  But he does bring an
> awful
> > > lot
> > > > to
> > > > > the table.  So much so that if we were to cast him away, we better
> be
> > > real
> > > > > sure about the return value.  Whether we like it or not, he brings
> > > > > leadership and a bond to this team.  Last year, his tongue-lashing
> was
> > > > > reminiscent of what Russell or Larry would have said to their
teams.
> > He
> > > > is
> > > > > among the best passing forwards in the game a!
> > > > > >  nd can handle the rock better than some of our own guards.  His
> > > > shooting
> > > > > is hot and cold but I like the fact that he is willing to take the
> > > > pressure
> > > > > shot, though I would prefer to see him take it from 10 feet
instead
> of
> > > 30.
> > > > > He has willingly swallowed his own pride and deferred to Paul as
the
> > > go-to
> > > > > scorer.  Think Iverson would do that?  Or the great Andre Miller?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, our front office seem to be on the level of some animals I
> saw
> > > > last
> > > > > year at the San Diego Zoo, so why would we trust them to get us a
> good
> > > > > return in any deal involving Walker?  Now you guys trust Wallace
to
> do
> > > the
> > > > > right thing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He had a bad offensive game vs the Wiz but still chipped in with
> 14
> > > > > assists, 10 boards, 2 blocks and a steal.  Are you sure that
Wallace
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > that in return?  IF so, and it can save the team money, it should
be
> > > > > considered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cecil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Eggcentric@AOL.com [mailto:Eggcentric@AOL.com]
> > > > > > Sent: April 09, 2003 10:33 AM
> > > > > > To: Douglas342@AOL.com; celtics@igtc.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  < If you think that the coach is the problem, get a new coach
to
> > > tinker
> > > > > > with this great player.  On the other hand, if "Bad Antoine" is
> the
> > > > > problem,
> > > > > > then it makes little difference who the coach is. > -Douglas
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah, Douglas, back to the good old LADY OR THE TIGER stuff.  Have
> > some
> > > of
> > > > > > us drawn Walker as he ought to be, and others as he actually
> > appears?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If Toine's three coaches have indeed all been the problem, then
we
> > > fans
> > > > > > certainly owe it to their victim - poor improperly used Toine -
to
> > > bring
> > > > > > on yet another coach who is suddenly able to control him more
than
> > > even
> > > > > > his idol, Jordan, has been able to do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And if on the off chance that ''Bad Antoine,'' after he has gone
> > > through
> > > > > > a half-dozen Celt coaches, turns out to be the alleged problem,
> will
> > > > > > it then finally be appropriate for fans to place a FINAL
> EVALUATION
> > > > > > on his 14-year impact on our team?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So don't forget to remind me, Doug, to get back to you by April,
> > 2010,
> > > > > > on the results of this Walker conundrum.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See you then for the squeezing of the lemon contest?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Egg