Re: Trade Walker?

[Cecil <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yeah right...And my way of thinking is so influential over the C's front
office.  I prefer that to flip flopping all over the dial like you do
depending on what happens game in and game out.  Go back through the
archives and look at how many times you have said "maybe I'm wrong" and "if
they continue to play like this or that".  You twirl in the breeze like
yesterday's laundry and then throw up stuff like this below when someone
stands by the team.

That's cool.  You'll continue to do it until the season ends at which time
you'll say "as I've said all along ...5 minute game, etc"

You have not reacted to the part of my post which said that despite having
an off night, Walker still helped the team through 14 assists and 10
rebounds.  Yeah, hurry up and jettison the guy and I'm sure you'll be ever
so patient with whomever we received in exchange...for about 1 game anyway.

Cecil


----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Trade Walker?


> You see Boston's problems have arisen from thinking like yours. A bunch of
> apologists. Put off the inevitable. Things will get better. Gloss over the
> faults. A new coach and a whole new front office will not make things
> better. They don't run the floor.
>
> DanF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
>
>
> > If he hasn't learned a thing, that would make two of you.
> >
> > Cecil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> >
> >
> > > Nice story. Nice guys finish last. Twang hasn't learned a thing since
> he's
> > > been a Celt. I'm worried he's exposed himself for what he is and we
> > couldn't
> > > use him in a trade situation.
> > >
> > > DanF
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> > > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 2:20 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Trade Walker?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dan,
> > > >
> > > > I call him a leader because that is how his teammates view him
> > regardless
> > > of his stats.  This team looks at Eric Williams as a leader also and
> it's
> > > not because of his stats.  It's because of his presence in the
> lockerroom,
> > > his willingness to help his teammates and a host of other intangibles.
> > You
> > > predictably fail to mention anything positive about a game where he
> > > admittedly did not play as well as he would have liked.  But I think
the
> > 14
> > > assists and 10 boards is a healthy contribution, though he shot
poorly.
> > As
> > > MJ said, he helped put the team in position to win the game even
though
> > his
> > > shot was not falling.  I'm sure you are not purposely overlooking that
> > fact,
> > > right?
> > > >
> > > > The dressing down that Walker gave his teammates last year, included
a
> > > blurb about himself and Paul also, so it does not appear that he
thinks
> he
> > > is above reproach, which is one sure way to gain the support of your
> > fellow
> > > players.
> > > >
> > > > If all you use to judge a leader is stats, then Lucious Harris is a
> > leader
> > > in your eyes since he shoots a high percentage at the line.  I agree
> about
> > > the beefing with the refs, but he and Paul do get hacked quite a bit
> with
> > a
> > > no-call, even though, in Paul's case, he still gets to the line alot.
> > There
> > > are plenty of no-calls on him.  I would hope that everyone agrees with
> > that.
> > > >
> > > > Cecil
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: April 09, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cecil, with due respect, Twang is over-rated. Now I understand you
> have
> > > been
> > > > involved in basketball. How can you call him a leader? Shooting
> horrific
> > > 3's
> > > > and bad shooting percentage overall including foul shots. His
> > contribution
> > > > as a *leader* is to bitch to refs. Don't worry, I believe the Kings
of
> > > > Boston won't trade him. Reason......your right, we may not get equal
> > > product
> > > > in return.
> > > >
> > > > DanF
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> > > > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:11 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Trade Walker?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Twang, as Forant likes to call him, is not the problem with this
> team
> > as
> > > > it's currently constructed.  Your pivots are Battie (injured) and
> > Blount.
> > > > Jeez Louise!!  Our backcourt features a guy who has hit the rookie
> wall
> > > > during the last few games of the regular season with us jockeying
for
> > > > playoff position, and a shooting guard who is forced to play out of
> > > > position.  Twang has his weaknesses for sure.  His free throw
shooting
> > has
> > > > been friggin horrendous and his field goal percentage would
certainly
> > > > improve if he were more judicious in his attempts.  His defense is
> weak
> > at
> > > > times and his decision making is suspect.  But he does bring an
awful
> > lot
> > > to
> > > > the table.  So much so that if we were to cast him away, we better
be
> > real
> > > > sure about the return value.  Whether we like it or not, he brings
> > > > leadership and a bond to this team.  Last year, his tongue-lashing
was
> > > > reminiscent of what Russell or Larry would have said to their teams.
> He
> > > is
> > > > among the best passing forwards in the game a!
> > > > >  nd can handle the rock better than some of our own guards.  His
> > > shooting
> > > > is hot and cold but I like the fact that he is willing to take the
> > > pressure
> > > > shot, though I would prefer to see him take it from 10 feet instead
of
> > 30.
> > > > He has willingly swallowed his own pride and deferred to Paul as the
> > go-to
> > > > scorer.  Think Iverson would do that?  Or the great Andre Miller?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, our front office seem to be on the level of some animals I
saw
> > > last
> > > > year at the San Diego Zoo, so why would we trust them to get us a
good
> > > > return in any deal involving Walker?  Now you guys trust Wallace to
do
> > the
> > > > right thing?
> > > > >
> > > > > He had a bad offensive game vs the Wiz but still chipped in with
14
> > > > assists, 10 boards, 2 blocks and a steal.  Are you sure that Wallace
> can
> > > get
> > > > that in return?  IF so, and it can save the team money, it should be
> > > > considered.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cecil
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Eggcentric@AOL.com [mailto:Eggcentric@AOL.com]
> > > > > Sent: April 09, 2003 10:33 AM
> > > > > To: Douglas342@AOL.com; celtics@igtc.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  < If you think that the coach is the problem, get a new coach to
> > tinker
> > > > > with this great player.  On the other hand, if "Bad Antoine" is
the
> > > > problem,
> > > > > then it makes little difference who the coach is. > -Douglas
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, Douglas, back to the good old LADY OR THE TIGER stuff.  Have
> some
> > of
> > > > > us drawn Walker as he ought to be, and others as he actually
> appears?
> > > > >
> > > > > If Toine's three coaches have indeed all been the problem, then we
> > fans
> > > > > certainly owe it to their victim - poor improperly used Toine - to
> > bring
> > > > > on yet another coach who is suddenly able to control him more than
> > even
> > > > > his idol, Jordan, has been able to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > And if on the off chance that ''Bad Antoine,'' after he has gone
> > through
> > > > > a half-dozen Celt coaches, turns out to be the alleged problem,
will
> > > > > it then finally be appropriate for fans to place a FINAL
EVALUATION
> > > > > on his 14-year impact on our team?
> > > > >
> > > > > So don't forget to remind me, Doug, to get back to you by April,
> 2010,
> > > > > on the results of this Walker conundrum.
> > > > >
> > > > > See you then for the squeezing of the lemon contest?
> > > > >
> > > > > Egg