Re: Trade Walker?

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You see Boston's problems have arisen from thinking like yours. A bunch of
apologists. Put off the inevitable. Things will get better. Gloss over the
faults. A new coach and a whole new front office will not make things
better. They don't run the floor.

DanF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Trade Walker?


> If he hasn't learned a thing, that would make two of you.
>
> Cecil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
>
>
> > Nice story. Nice guys finish last. Twang hasn't learned a thing since
he's
> > been a Celt. I'm worried he's exposed himself for what he is and we
> couldn't
> > use him in a trade situation.
> >
> > DanF
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 2:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: Trade Walker?
> >
> >
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > I call him a leader because that is how his teammates view him
> regardless
> > of his stats.  This team looks at Eric Williams as a leader also and
it's
> > not because of his stats.  It's because of his presence in the
lockerroom,
> > his willingness to help his teammates and a host of other intangibles.
> You
> > predictably fail to mention anything positive about a game where he
> > admittedly did not play as well as he would have liked.  But I think the
> 14
> > assists and 10 boards is a healthy contribution, though he shot poorly.
> As
> > MJ said, he helped put the team in position to win the game even though
> his
> > shot was not falling.  I'm sure you are not purposely overlooking that
> fact,
> > right?
> > >
> > > The dressing down that Walker gave his teammates last year, included a
> > blurb about himself and Paul also, so it does not appear that he thinks
he
> > is above reproach, which is one sure way to gain the support of your
> fellow
> > players.
> > >
> > > If all you use to judge a leader is stats, then Lucious Harris is a
> leader
> > in your eyes since he shoots a high percentage at the line.  I agree
about
> > the beefing with the refs, but he and Paul do get hacked quite a bit
with
> a
> > no-call, even though, in Paul's case, he still gets to the line alot.
> There
> > are plenty of no-calls on him.  I would hope that everyone agrees with
> that.
> > >
> > > Cecil
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
> > > Sent: April 09, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> > >
> > >
> > > Cecil, with due respect, Twang is over-rated. Now I understand you
have
> > been
> > > involved in basketball. How can you call him a leader? Shooting
horrific
> > 3's
> > > and bad shooting percentage overall including foul shots. His
> contribution
> > > as a *leader* is to bitch to refs. Don't worry, I believe the Kings of
> > > Boston won't trade him. Reason......your right, we may not get equal
> > product
> > > in return.
> > >
> > > DanF
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> > > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Trade Walker?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Twang, as Forant likes to call him, is not the problem with this
team
> as
> > > it's currently constructed.  Your pivots are Battie (injured) and
> Blount.
> > > Jeez Louise!!  Our backcourt features a guy who has hit the rookie
wall
> > > during the last few games of the regular season with us jockeying for
> > > playoff position, and a shooting guard who is forced to play out of
> > > position.  Twang has his weaknesses for sure.  His free throw shooting
> has
> > > been friggin horrendous and his field goal percentage would certainly
> > > improve if he were more judicious in his attempts.  His defense is
weak
> at
> > > times and his decision making is suspect.  But he does bring an awful
> lot
> > to
> > > the table.  So much so that if we were to cast him away, we better be
> real
> > > sure about the return value.  Whether we like it or not, he brings
> > > leadership and a bond to this team.  Last year, his tongue-lashing was
> > > reminiscent of what Russell or Larry would have said to their teams.
He
> > is
> > > among the best passing forwards in the game a!
> > > >  nd can handle the rock better than some of our own guards.  His
> > shooting
> > > is hot and cold but I like the fact that he is willing to take the
> > pressure
> > > shot, though I would prefer to see him take it from 10 feet instead of
> 30.
> > > He has willingly swallowed his own pride and deferred to Paul as the
> go-to
> > > scorer.  Think Iverson would do that?  Or the great Andre Miller?
> > > >
> > > > Also, our front office seem to be on the level of some animals I saw
> > last
> > > year at the San Diego Zoo, so why would we trust them to get us a good
> > > return in any deal involving Walker?  Now you guys trust Wallace to do
> the
> > > right thing?
> > > >
> > > > He had a bad offensive game vs the Wiz but still chipped in with 14
> > > assists, 10 boards, 2 blocks and a steal.  Are you sure that Wallace
can
> > get
> > > that in return?  IF so, and it can save the team money, it should be
> > > considered.
> > > >
> > > > Cecil
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Eggcentric@AOL.com [mailto:Eggcentric@AOL.com]
> > > > Sent: April 09, 2003 10:33 AM
> > > > To: Douglas342@AOL.com; celtics@igtc.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Trade Walker?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  < If you think that the coach is the problem, get a new coach to
> tinker
> > > > with this great player.  On the other hand, if "Bad Antoine" is the
> > > problem,
> > > > then it makes little difference who the coach is. > -Douglas
> > > >
> > > > Ah, Douglas, back to the good old LADY OR THE TIGER stuff.  Have
some
> of
> > > > us drawn Walker as he ought to be, and others as he actually
appears?
> > > >
> > > > If Toine's three coaches have indeed all been the problem, then we
> fans
> > > > certainly owe it to their victim - poor improperly used Toine - to
> bring
> > > > on yet another coach who is suddenly able to control him more than
> even
> > > > his idol, Jordan, has been able to do.
> > > >
> > > > And if on the off chance that ''Bad Antoine,'' after he has gone
> through
> > > > a half-dozen Celt coaches, turns out to be the alleged problem, will
> > > > it then finally be appropriate for fans to place a FINAL EVALUATION
> > > > on his 14-year impact on our team?
> > > >
> > > > So don't forget to remind me, Doug, to get back to you by April,
2010,
> > > > on the results of this Walker conundrum.
> > > >
> > > > See you then for the squeezing of the lemon contest?
> > > >
> > > > Egg