Re: Fw: [Celtics' Stuff from hero to goat

["Cecil" <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am fine with this.  You have proven that you have an interesting and
welcome perspective for the most part.  I don't have to agree with
everything you, or anyone else, says.  But it is the little digs at a
listmember that I believe we can do without.  It really is of little use to
anyone.  The basketball talk is refreshing even when I disagree.

Cecil



----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Jacobson <lancejacob@attbi.com>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Celtics' Stuff from hero to goat


> Ok, Cecil.
>
> If you want evidence that Tammo's been identified, and willingly, I
believe, as a
> woman, I'll try to go back to some posts of two years ago when the subject
came up.  I
> don't mean any disrespect that she's a woman; gender is irrelevant.  What
the issue
> was and remains is that she has discussed the emotional constitution of
players and
> draft prospects from a perspective that can only be described as
"maternal", and I
> don't believe it's relevant to the discussion of a player's skills, unless
we have the
> same input on all possible prospects.  Players need to be evaluated on a
level playing
> field if they're introduced to the board for discussion., IMO.
>
> I never meant to misquote Mr. Hill; I may have been confused by the quotes
in his post
> and took them to be his.  I'll generally post with quotes ASAP to keep the
thread
> current.
>
> As to Mr. Bird, I called him Mother because he was writing on behalf of
the board and
> protecting something that he defined as his to protect.  The Larry Joe
reference was a
> response to a topic I can't recall, but I'll apologize and refrain from
nicknames.
>
> The team was ostensibly all black, as Raef and Collison were non-factors
in the games
> or series.  Makes no difference to me, and I won't get into racial issues
related to
> the style of play.
>
> I hope I've responded to the issues that Cecil brought up.  I'm not here
to attack or
> divide the board, I just want to see quality players on the team trying to
rebuild a
> proud franchise.  More has been written on the failings of the Dunk and
3pt shot as
> the mainstays of American hoop this week than I've ever seen.  That's not
the kind of
> basketball that made the Celtics the World Champs and most respected
franchise in the
> league, and although the game has changed, the Celts fandom--from what
I've been
> reading for 3 years--still looks for a cerebral, unselfish team rather
than a group of
> talented one-on-one stars paid to entertain on individual merits.
>
> That's what I fear may be missing from the folks who just look at the W-L
record of a
> team that played healthy in an injury-ridden conference last year.  The
emperor has
> some clothes, but they're scanty.