Re: Kenny vs. Tinsley

["Jaims" <jaims@info.com.ph>]

Hey Guys!  WE WON THE GAME!  Stats are stats but winning is more
important...

Jaims
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Niles" <shizzjr@hotmail.com>
To: <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>; <GuyClinch@AOL.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 6:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kenny vs. Tinsley


> I seriously question your basketball knowledge then, if you think Reggie
> outplayed PAul last night. Reggie was invisible all night long except for
> about an 8 minute span in the 3rd quarter. Meanwhile, in the 4th quarter,
> with the game on the line, Paul had a huge block and a number of big
> rebounds. Paul was significantly more important on the court last night.
>
>
> >From: "Berry, Mark  S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> >To: 'Shawn Niles' <shizzjr@hotmail.com>, "Berry, Mark  S"
> ><berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>, GuyClinch@AOL.com, celtics@igtc.com
> >Subject: RE: Kenny vs. Tinsley
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:38:35 -0500
> >
> >The only area Pierce was better than Reggie last night was rebounding.
You
> >provided the stats yourself. Did you watch the game? Reggie was better
last
> >night. Neither guy distinguished himself down the stretch. Pierce is sick
> >and hurt, no doubt, and obviously he's the superior player. But last
night
> >he wasn't. Tinsley is hurt as well, or doesn't that count? My point was
> >that
> >just because Kenny played better than Tinsley last night doesn't mean
> >Tinsley stinks and thank goodness we drafted Forte... Just like Reggie
> >playing better than Pierce doesn't mean he's the superior player.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >From: Shawn Niles [mailto:shizzjr@hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:28 PM
> >To: berrym@BATTELLE.ORG; GuyClinch@AOL.com; celtics@igtc.com
> >Subject: Re: Kenny vs. Tinsley
> >
> >Reggie had 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 26 points.
> >Paul had 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, and 20 points.
> >That is hrdly outplayed, if outplayed at all. Especially in the 4th
> >quarter,
> >
> >when reggie was invisible. You have a tendancy to make statements without
> >stats to prove them, Mark. You need to view the stats before saying
reggie
> >played better than paul. Don't forget that paul is also battling various
> >injuries and the flu, and still outplayed reggie.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Berry, Mark  S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> > >To: "'GuyClinch@AOL.com'" <GuyClinch@AOL.com>,   "'celtics@igtc.com'"
> > ><celtics@igtc.com>
> > >Subject: Kenny vs. Tinsley
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:41:55 -0500
> > >
> > >OK, I'll bite. Look, Kenny has been great. Fantastic. Better than any
of
> >us
> > >could have hoped. Fine. He's averaging 9.5 points and 5.4 assists.
> > >
> > >Tinsley, a rookie, is averaging 10 points and 9 assists per game. He's
> > >shooting 37 percent, which is about what Toine shoots, but it only
> >matters
> > >when it's someone else. That 37 percent comes on 10 shots per game, not
> >24.
> > >
> > >Did Kenny outplay Tinsley last night? You bet. And Reggie Miller
> >outplayed
> > >Paul Pierce. Want to make any great assertions based on that?
> > >
> > >The issue isn't really about whether Tinsley is better than Kenny (even
> > >though, all things considered, he is). He's clearly a good point guard
> >and
> > >there's no reason to think he won't get better, other than the widely
> >held
> > >assumption that only Celtic players improve. Joe Johnson is just
learning
> > >the ropes, but Tinsley is sure to get worse as the league adjusts.
Heaven
> > >help us if the league "adjusts" any more to Joe Johnson. So far they've
> > >"adjusted" him right out of the rotation.
> > >
> > >Anyway, the point all of us have made is that Tinsley obviously is
better
> > >than Joe Forte. He would have been a better pick just like Tony Parker
> > >would
> > >have been a better pick. The Celtics had their chance and missed it.
> > >
> > >Those averages on Tinsley, by the way, include the following assist
> >games:
> > >23, 18, 16, 16, 15, 14, 14, 13, 12, 12, 12, 11, 10, 10, 10. Let's see,
> > >Kenny's high mark for assists is... 11, in the second game of the
season.
> > >Since then, his high mark is 9, which he reached Monday against
Toronto.
> > >Kenny's best scoring game? 19. Tinsley's? 29.
> > >
> > >But hey, you're right. We don't need Tinsley. We're much better off
with
> > >Forte. I'm sure Tinsley would be stashed on the injured list all season
> >if
> > >he were in Boston. After all, the Celtics have not just Kenny, but Milt
> > >Palacio. The Pacers only have Travis Best and Jalen Rose.
> > >
> > >The Celtics butchered this draft. They're going to regret missing
chances
> > >on
> > >Tinsley, Parker, Haywood, Eddie Griffin, Jason Richardson and others.
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >P.S. I don't mind the chance they took on Kedrick, just the way they
went
> > >about getting him. They thought they were smarter than everyone else.
> > >Listen
> > >to them and they talk like JJ and Kedrick were the two top players on
> >their
> > >board (they've basically said as much). There are a lot of smart people
> >in
> > >the NBA who didn't agree. I don't have a problem with taking a chance,
> >but
> > >do you really think a JC kid from nowhere was going to be so good in
the
> > >workouts he'd move into the top nine? By making that promise, they
boxed
> > >themselves in. When JJ fell to 10, they had to take him (he was the
best
> > >player on their board...), so now you have two guys who play the same
> > >position and the same position as your best player. Then you wait for
> >your
> > >turn to come at 21 and throw a bone to Red Auerbach, even though there
> >are
> > >better players on the board at positions of greater need. You walk away
> > >with
> > >three guys who play the same position, even though better players at
> > >positions of need were available. Wouldn't we all be feeling good about
> > >this
> > >draft if we had Kedrick, Haywood and Tinsley/Parker right now?
> > >
> > >---end---
> > >
> > >Can anyone tell me how the great Mr. Tinsley did tonight against that
old
> > > > over-the-hill Kenny?  I must have eye strain cuz it looked to me
like
> >he
> > > > got
> > > > schooled.
> > > >
> > > > Cecil (He did less than JJ)
> > > >
> > >
> > >I saw the same thing...
> > >The way folks moan about Kenny on this board is amazing..
> > >considering he just abuses some of this so called upgrades on a nightly
> > >basis.
> > >Those rooks just don't compare to Kenny right now...
> >
> >
> >
> >
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