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RE: Kenny vs. Tinsley
I seriously question your basketball knowledge then, if you think Reggie
outplayed PAul last night. Reggie was invisible all night long except for
about an 8 minute span in the 3rd quarter. Meanwhile, in the 4th quarter,
with the game on the line, Paul had a huge block and a number of big
rebounds. Paul was significantly more important on the court last night.
>From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
>To: 'Shawn Niles' <shizzjr@hotmail.com>, "Berry, Mark S"
><berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>, GuyClinch@AOL.com, celtics@igtc.com
>Subject: RE: Kenny vs. Tinsley
>Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:38:35 -0500
>
>The only area Pierce was better than Reggie last night was rebounding. You
>provided the stats yourself. Did you watch the game? Reggie was better last
>night. Neither guy distinguished himself down the stretch. Pierce is sick
>and hurt, no doubt, and obviously he's the superior player. But last night
>he wasn't. Tinsley is hurt as well, or doesn't that count? My point was
>that
>just because Kenny played better than Tinsley last night doesn't mean
>Tinsley stinks and thank goodness we drafted Forte... Just like Reggie
>playing better than Pierce doesn't mean he's the superior player.
>
>Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Shawn Niles [mailto:shizzjr@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:28 PM
>To: berrym@BATTELLE.ORG; GuyClinch@AOL.com; celtics@igtc.com
>Subject: Re: Kenny vs. Tinsley
>
>Reggie had 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 26 points.
>Paul had 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, and 20 points.
>That is hrdly outplayed, if outplayed at all. Especially in the 4th
>quarter,
>
>when reggie was invisible. You have a tendancy to make statements without
>stats to prove them, Mark. You need to view the stats before saying reggie
>played better than paul. Don't forget that paul is also battling various
>injuries and the flu, and still outplayed reggie.
>
>
> >From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> >To: "'GuyClinch@AOL.com'" <GuyClinch@AOL.com>, "'celtics@igtc.com'"
> ><celtics@igtc.com>
> >Subject: Kenny vs. Tinsley
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:41:55 -0500
> >
> >OK, I'll bite. Look, Kenny has been great. Fantastic. Better than any of
>us
> >could have hoped. Fine. He's averaging 9.5 points and 5.4 assists.
> >
> >Tinsley, a rookie, is averaging 10 points and 9 assists per game. He's
> >shooting 37 percent, which is about what Toine shoots, but it only
>matters
> >when it's someone else. That 37 percent comes on 10 shots per game, not
>24.
> >
> >Did Kenny outplay Tinsley last night? You bet. And Reggie Miller
>outplayed
> >Paul Pierce. Want to make any great assertions based on that?
> >
> >The issue isn't really about whether Tinsley is better than Kenny (even
> >though, all things considered, he is). He's clearly a good point guard
>and
> >there's no reason to think he won't get better, other than the widely
>held
> >assumption that only Celtic players improve. Joe Johnson is just learning
> >the ropes, but Tinsley is sure to get worse as the league adjusts. Heaven
> >help us if the league "adjusts" any more to Joe Johnson. So far they've
> >"adjusted" him right out of the rotation.
> >
> >Anyway, the point all of us have made is that Tinsley obviously is better
> >than Joe Forte. He would have been a better pick just like Tony Parker
> >would
> >have been a better pick. The Celtics had their chance and missed it.
> >
> >Those averages on Tinsley, by the way, include the following assist
>games:
> >23, 18, 16, 16, 15, 14, 14, 13, 12, 12, 12, 11, 10, 10, 10. Let's see,
> >Kenny's high mark for assists is... 11, in the second game of the season.
> >Since then, his high mark is 9, which he reached Monday against Toronto.
> >Kenny's best scoring game? 19. Tinsley's? 29.
> >
> >But hey, you're right. We don't need Tinsley. We're much better off with
> >Forte. I'm sure Tinsley would be stashed on the injured list all season
>if
> >he were in Boston. After all, the Celtics have not just Kenny, but Milt
> >Palacio. The Pacers only have Travis Best and Jalen Rose.
> >
> >The Celtics butchered this draft. They're going to regret missing chances
> >on
> >Tinsley, Parker, Haywood, Eddie Griffin, Jason Richardson and others.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >P.S. I don't mind the chance they took on Kedrick, just the way they went
> >about getting him. They thought they were smarter than everyone else.
> >Listen
> >to them and they talk like JJ and Kedrick were the two top players on
>their
> >board (they've basically said as much). There are a lot of smart people
>in
> >the NBA who didn't agree. I don't have a problem with taking a chance,
>but
> >do you really think a JC kid from nowhere was going to be so good in the
> >workouts he'd move into the top nine? By making that promise, they boxed
> >themselves in. When JJ fell to 10, they had to take him (he was the best
> >player on their board...), so now you have two guys who play the same
> >position and the same position as your best player. Then you wait for
>your
> >turn to come at 21 and throw a bone to Red Auerbach, even though there
>are
> >better players on the board at positions of greater need. You walk away
> >with
> >three guys who play the same position, even though better players at
> >positions of need were available. Wouldn't we all be feeling good about
> >this
> >draft if we had Kedrick, Haywood and Tinsley/Parker right now?
> >
> >---end---
> >
> >Can anyone tell me how the great Mr. Tinsley did tonight against that old
> > > over-the-hill Kenny? I must have eye strain cuz it looked to me like
>he
> > > got
> > > schooled.
> > >
> > > Cecil (He did less than JJ)
> > >
> >
> >I saw the same thing...
> >The way folks moan about Kenny on this board is amazing..
> >considering he just abuses some of this so called upgrades on a nightly
> >basis.
> >Those rooks just don't compare to Kenny right now...
>
>
>
>
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