Re: Kenny vs. Tinsley

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>]

All this talk spurred me to look at some PG stats:

ppg    fg%     ft%   3%   rpg  apg  spg  tpg  mpg
9.4    .369   .730  .188  3.9  9.0   1.8  3.5  31.0a
9.5    .427   .727  .294  3.9  5.4   1.8  1.3  32.0b
14.2  .371   .829  .310  7.2  10    2.0  3.4  37.4c
15.9  .446   .792  .480  4.8  10    1.5  3.1  35.1d
18.7  .441   .852  .384  3.5   4.9  1.9  1.9  36.9e
19.1  .432   .559  .369  4.4   8.8  1.8  3.0  40.7f
20.2  .463   .847  .326  4.4   6.7  1.6  2.7  35.6g

Player              record         conf.         div.
Tinsley-a,         22-22        14-15        7-7
Kenny-b,         25-16        19-11        8-5
J.Kidd-c,         28-13        18-8          7-4
A.Miller-d,      13-28          8-16        3-6
J.Terry-e,        14-27        10-18        4-9
B.Davis-f,        20-21        13-14        6-6
S.Cassell-g      26-14        19-3         11-1

I give Tinsley credit for playing well as a rookie but I fail to see how you
think he has outplayed Kenny.  If you said he has out-assisted him, I would
not argue.  But that's about it.

Cecil










----- Original Message -----
From: "Orion" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>
To: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>; <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kenny vs. Tinsley


> I have to agree with Mark. One game doesn't mean anything. Kenny has
played
> real well but Tinsley has put up better numbers and was a much more solid
> pick then Forte. Where the heck is Forte?  Hanging out with Randy Brown,
or
> on the Moiso list?
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> To: <GuyClinch@AOL.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:41 AM
> Subject: Kenny vs. Tinsley
>
>
> > OK, I'll bite. Look, Kenny has been great. Fantastic. Better than any of
> us
> > could have hoped. Fine. He's averaging 9.5 points and 5.4 assists.
> >
> > Tinsley, a rookie, is averaging 10 points and 9 assists per game. He's
> > shooting 37 percent, which is about what Toine shoots, but it only
matters
> > when it's someone else. That 37 percent comes on 10 shots per game, not
> 24.
> >
> > Did Kenny outplay Tinsley last night? You bet. And Reggie Miller
outplayed
> > Paul Pierce. Want to make any great assertions based on that?
> >
> > The issue isn't really about whether Tinsley is better than Kenny (even
> > though, all things considered, he is). He's clearly a good point guard
and
> > there's no reason to think he won't get better, other than the widely
held
> > assumption that only Celtic players improve. Joe Johnson is just
learning
> > the ropes, but Tinsley is sure to get worse as the league adjusts.
Heaven
> > help us if the league "adjusts" any more to Joe Johnson. So far they've
> > "adjusted" him right out of the rotation.
> >
> > Anyway, the point all of us have made is that Tinsley obviously is
better
> > than Joe Forte. He would have been a better pick just like Tony Parker
> would
> > have been a better pick. The Celtics had their chance and missed it.
> >
> > Those averages on Tinsley, by the way, include the following assist
games:
> > 23, 18, 16, 16, 15, 14, 14, 13, 12, 12, 12, 11, 10, 10, 10. Let's see,
> > Kenny's high mark for assists is... 11, in the second game of the
season.
> > Since then, his high mark is 9, which he reached Monday against Toronto.
> > Kenny's best scoring game? 19. Tinsley's? 29.
> >
> > But hey, you're right. We don't need Tinsley. We're much better off with
> > Forte. I'm sure Tinsley would be stashed on the injured list all season
if
> > he were in Boston. After all, the Celtics have not just Kenny, but Milt
> > Palacio. The Pacers only have Travis Best and Jalen Rose.
> >
> > The Celtics butchered this draft. They're going to regret missing
chances
> on
> > Tinsley, Parker, Haywood, Eddie Griffin, Jason Richardson and others.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S. I don't mind the chance they took on Kedrick, just the way they
went
> > about getting him. They thought they were smarter than everyone else.
> Listen
> > to them and they talk like JJ and Kedrick were the two top players on
> their
> > board (they've basically said as much). There are a lot of smart people
in
> > the NBA who didn't agree. I don't have a problem with taking a chance,
but
> > do you really think a JC kid from nowhere was going to be so good in the
> > workouts he'd move into the top nine? By making that promise, they boxed
> > themselves in. When JJ fell to 10, they had to take him (he was the best
> > player on their board...), so now you have two guys who play the same
> > position and the same position as your best player. Then you wait for
your
> > turn to come at 21 and throw a bone to Red Auerbach, even though there
are
> > better players on the board at positions of greater need. You walk away
> with
> > three guys who play the same position, even though better players at
> > positions of need were available. Wouldn't we all be feeling good about
> this
> > draft if we had Kedrick, Haywood and Tinsley/Parker right now?
> >
> > ---end---
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how the great Mr. Tinsley did tonight against that
old
> > > over-the-hill Kenny?  I must have eye strain cuz it looked to me like
he
> > > got
> > > schooled.
> > >
> > > Cecil (He did less than JJ)
> > >
> >
> > I saw the same thing...
> > The way folks moan about Kenny on this board is amazing..
> > considering he just abuses some of this so called upgrades on a nightly
> > basis.
> > Those rooks just don't compare to Kenny right now...