Re: Greg O, master sociologist

["Jim Meyer" <jimmeyer@azstarnet.com>]

Great generalization Greg.  It's clear you have no clue, and from your
comments its clearly not your fault; you shouldn't be expected to have a
clue.

Jim Meyer
Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Odegaard, Greg M. <GMOdegaa@rmc.com>
To: 'peter delevett' <pdelevett@amcity.com>; Celtics <Celtics@igtc.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: Greg O, master sociologist


>Well let me clarify one last time (hopefully), what I am trying to relate
to
>is the prevailing behavior in some areas of this country, and world, and
>this is a large way has nothing to do with race, to putting people who
>aren't like you down.  My earlier "redneck" reference of course exists
>everywhere to a degree, but this Rebel Yell philosophy in even very
cultured
>circles in places like Atlanta is disturbing to someone like myself who
grew
>up in an area, where we never a moments thought to who or where people came
>from or what side of the track they were raised on.  At least on the west
>coast there is very little class structure, unless you get way down or up
>the food chain.  For a middleclass guy like me, everyone was my buddy, I
>didn't and still don't give a damn, how I am "supposed" to treat someone,
>based on any quality, of which I haven't a clue.  My experiences in the
>South were very eye opening, when it came to trying to do something for
>myself in an environment where this wasn't allowed.  Atlanta is not a place
>I care to spend any time in again, as a tourist or otherwise.  As sports
>fans go they define the bad side of the spectrum.  At least in NY, Philly
or
>LA the average fan is an intelligent sports fan who comes prepared to be
>themselves and enjoy the experience.  In Atlanta they look at their
>neighbors and react when it appears prudent.  Individuality is damned.
>
>Sorry to preach, and maybe offend, when reality I speak often of the
concept
>of tolerance, but at the same time I have no tolerance for the idea of
>putting people into slots or forcing an image on anyone.  Calpo in this way
>belongs in someplace like south Alabama, and this is the only thing I was
>trying to imply.  And for Southern Hospitality, this is a myth, that I am
>not sure existed ever outside of a Margaret Mitchell novel, or to an
>outsider, and even then they burned Atlanta.  Maybe that is why it is named
>the Sherman tank.
>
>Greg
>-----Original Message-----
>From: peter delevett [mailto:pdelevett@amcity.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:34 PM
>To: Celtics
>Subject: Greg O, master sociologist
>
>
>Absolutely. As someone who grew up in rural Florida and spent 5 years in
>urban
>Connecticut (and another 3 in Natick, Mass. as a kid), let me say
>Northerners
>are NEVER rude to people of the same or different ethnic persuasions. Give
>me
>Southern hospitality any time.
>
>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:44:05 -0800
>From: "Odegaard, Greg M." <GMOdegaa@rmc.com>
>Subject: RE: avoid the  stereotypes!
>
>Not living in the South, but having visited numerous areas of this region,
>from the biggest cities to the smallest backwaters, it is an area I have
>some concern for, so at the same time don't discount my true feelings for
an
>area in our country that depending on your persuasion and what business or
>private environment you happen to be in, can be a very disturbing place to
>visit.  I grew up in an extremely ethic diverse and tolerant area, and all
>my visits to our wonderful SE part of this country have left me glad to
come
>home.  Please understand that I have as much concern for the Civil war
>fighting brethren down south as any other group.  In fact it is their
>behavior both to themselves, northerners or there neighbors that is most
>disturbing.
>