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Re: It's only a matter of time before Iverson departs
On Mar 15, 2004, at 11:11 AM, Berry, Mark S wrote:
he's a top ten NBA talent. (Shaq, Duncan,
Kobe, KG, McGrady, Kidd, Nowitski, Pierce, Iverson, James)
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Josh, are you openly challenging me? This is a test, isn't it? Well,
I'll throw my two cents in (surprise, surprise ... )
James (if not now, certainly within a year or two)
Yao Ming (if we're projecting for LeBron, we have to do the same for
I'd say that while Peja is playing phenomonaly this season (at least
better than my spelling), I think he's benefitting from the system and
the talent around him as opposed to being a dominant talent. Swap him
for (say) Pierce and he doesn't look as good. I'm simply saying I
don't think he belongs in that top 10-11 tier. But i'd damn sure want
him on my team.
I'm also not sold on J. O'Neal's belonging to this group. He may very
well prove it during the upcoming playoffs, but until then, its a gropu
of top 9 for me.
With James and Ming -- i don't thnk much projecting is needed. They
both change the game for those aroudn them. james with his all-around
play and passing, Ming with his dominance (albeit awkwardly) on the
offensive end. He needs to be a better rebounder to maekt that top
OK, that's 11, but those are the guys I'd consider clear upgrades on
Pierce and Iverson, who I lump in the next group along with guys like
Ray Allen, Michael Finley, Carmello Anthony, Baron Davis, Steve
Steve Nash, Mike Bibby, Elton Brand, Pau Gasol, Kenyon Martin, and a
others. I'm not so sure I'm rating the point guards high enough. Steve
Nash probably is the most valuable Maverick. Bibby is terribly
underrated (not underpaid).
I generally agree here, but think there are 2 groups within this group:
top tier: Pierce, Iverson, Anthony, Davis, Brand & Nash (who *I* think
is probably the most underrated -- watching him against the Rockets the
other day, I'd put him a simple notch behind Kidd as the best PG in the
the 2nd tier: Allen, Finley, Bibby, Francis, Gasol, Martin.
for the same reason you say there's a cut off in the top 10 -- Pierce,
iverson, nash, etc. make their teamates (or teams) much better.
Anyway, Pierce is out of the elite group until he returns to 2001-02
form. In that top 11, by the way, there's a clear cutoff in my mind.
Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, T-Mac and Kidd are the truly elite
with LeBron and Yao well on their way to joining that list. Nowitzki,
Jermaine O'Neal and Peja are a notch below because they don't make
everyone better -- the others do.
While this might seem like quibling, I'm torn on putting T-Mac in the
top rung. I think he's dominant offensively, but I don't know if there
is much evidence that he makes other players better.
(the other) mark