RE: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors

["John Lyell" <jlyell@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Nelson isn't coming, Fitzsimmons has never done much from my recollection,
and hasn't coached in years, Rudy T would be interesting as would Riley,
Cowens and even Westphal, but it really comes down to talent evaluation and
acquisition and putting together a team with the right chemistry and right
role players that can step up in the clutch. The Steve Kerr John Paxson,
Steven Jackson, Cedric Maxwell types. Something the Celtic brass have done a
real piss-poor job for the last what 17 years? We have had a lot of botched
draft picks. Don't expect free agency to help us. The top players aren't
even considering Boston.




John

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Josh Ozersky
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Ozersky" <jozersky@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors


> I think that at this point, the Celtics really need an
> established, big-time coach who has had success
> at the highest level.  I'm not entirely sure even Dave
> Cowens or Paul Westphal can bring everybody on
> board right now.  If I were Danny, I would be looking
> at guys like Cotton Fitzsimmons, Pat Riley, Don Nelson,
> or Rudy Tomjonovich.  I don't know if the "Players Coaches"
> like Doc Rivers will do the job with this crew.  I think
> we need an august figure.
>
> Josh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors
>
>
> > Funny thing is, I think--in the short term--Tommy would be a great
> > choice.  There are just a few problems, though.  First, I don't think he
> > really wants that kind of aggravation.  Second, he'd never finish a
game,
> > as the refs would toss him just on general principle before the tipoff
was
> > over.  Third--and more seriously--I don't think he's necessarily up to
> that
> > kind of stress.
> >
> > As an alternative, I again suggest Dennis Johnson.
> >
> > At 05:47 PM 2/22/2004, Josh Ozersky wrote:
> >
> > >I understand why Danny left Carroll in charge.  He wants
> > >the new coach to come in with a fresh start, his own training
> > >camp, his own authority and message, and even the best coach
> > >will be squandered by coming in mid-season.  It would be good
> > >to get a high lottery pick, to say the least.  And its doubtful the
> > >team can turn it around at this point anyway.  But I guess he doesn't
> > >think Carroll can do long-term damage.  Maybe, maybe not.
> > >
> > >But I'm thinking that this team needs a Bill Fitch-type leader, a
> > >details guy who the players will despise but respect.   The old guys
> > >are making a comeback:  Hubie Brown and Lenny Wilkins are both
> > >doing a great.  Maybe the Celts could get an old-time coach.  Any
> > >suggestions?  Besides Tommy I mean.
> > >
> > >Josh
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Kim" <kimmalo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: "JB" <jim_metz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Cc: "Celtics List" <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:21 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dead on, JB.
> > > > And my biggest concern about Danny, because I'm not sure he
> understands
> > >how important it is, how to fix it,  or how that lack of rudder can
make
> the
> > >worst talent look bad. Even on the teleconference call he said
> specifically
> > >that you get the talent and then you worry about chemistry second, as
if
> > >they both operate in a vacuum with no effect on each other. An
example -
> > >HMurdoch I think posted the concern we have about eh Evil Ricky popping
> back
> > >up, and IMO the rudderless losing is far more likely to make that
happen,
> > >and sooner rather than later.
> > > > Kim
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: JB <jim_metz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Feb 22, 2004 5:01 PM
> > > > To: Celticsstuffgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Cc: Celtics List <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors
> > > >
> > > > >  Don't get the detractors....
> > > > >
> > > > >  DJessen33
> > > > *****************
> > > >
> > > > It looks good on paper, DJ and I would have made both trades, but
what
> > > > are we left with? A rudderless group of players, which can't be yet
> > > > called a team.
> > > > What did we have before he got here? A sixth seed and a second round
> > > > playoff team. While it was Wallace and Gaston who gutted the 2002
> team,
> > > > most fans are blaming that on Ainge. In any event, the team was
seen
> > > > as competitive and won it's share.
> > > > As my college professor used to tell us about the appealing anarchic
> > > > philosophies of the day; "It's easy to tear down, but rare are the
> ones
> > > > who can rebuild."
> > > > Danny has taken us down the dark tunnel, let's see if he can get us
> > > > out the other side.
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > > Unchain My Heart!
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 22, 2004, at 2:17 PM, Celtic4Hire@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Danny is a moron? Let's take a look:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Walker = Jiri, Atkins, 2 no. 1s and LaFrentz
> > > > >
> > > > >  EWill, Battie, Kedrick = Ricky D, Mihm and Stewart
> > > > >
> > > > >  Terrible trades? How do you figure? We essentially got 3 no. 1s
> > > > > (including
> > > > >  Welsch) and our starting power forward (although out for the
year)
> > > > > for Walker.
> > > > >  That is outstanding. We got the two best players in the second
> trade
> > > > > in RickyD
> > > > >  and Mihm.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Drafting? Got a keeper in Banks and what now seems like a
God-like
> > > > > lucky
> > > > >  selection of Brandon Hunter in the second round.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Don't get the detractors....
> > > > >
> > > > >  DJessen33
> >
> > Snoopy the Celtics Beagle
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