Fw: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors

["Josh Ozersky" <jozersky@xxxxxxxxxx>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh Ozersky" <jozersky@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors


> I think that at this point, the Celtics really need an
> established, big-time coach who has had success
> at the highest level.  I'm not entirely sure even Dave
> Cowens or Paul Westphal can bring everybody on
> board right now.  If I were Danny, I would be looking
> at guys like Cotton Fitzsimmons, Pat Riley, Don Nelson,
> or Rudy Tomjonovich.  I don't know if the "Players Coaches"
> like Doc Rivers will do the job with this crew.  I think
> we need an august figure.
>
> Josh
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors
>
>
> > Funny thing is, I think--in the short term--Tommy would be a great
> > choice.  There are just a few problems, though.  First, I don't think he
> > really wants that kind of aggravation.  Second, he'd never finish a
game,
> > as the refs would toss him just on general principle before the tipoff
was
> > over.  Third--and more seriously--I don't think he's necessarily up to
> that
> > kind of stress.
> >
> > As an alternative, I again suggest Dennis Johnson.
> >
> > At 05:47 PM 2/22/2004, Josh Ozersky wrote:
> >
> > >I understand why Danny left Carroll in charge.  He wants
> > >the new coach to come in with a fresh start, his own training
> > >camp, his own authority and message, and even the best coach
> > >will be squandered by coming in mid-season.  It would be good
> > >to get a high lottery pick, to say the least.  And its doubtful the
> > >team can turn it around at this point anyway.  But I guess he doesn't
> > >think Carroll can do long-term damage.  Maybe, maybe not.
> > >
> > >But I'm thinking that this team needs a Bill Fitch-type leader, a
> > >details guy who the players will despise but respect.   The old guys
> > >are making a comeback:  Hubie Brown and Lenny Wilkins are both
> > >doing a great.  Maybe the Celts could get an old-time coach.  Any
> > >suggestions?  Besides Tommy I mean.
> > >
> > >Josh
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Kim" <kimmalo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: "JB" <jim_metz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Cc: "Celtics List" <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:21 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dead on, JB.
> > > > And my biggest concern about Danny, because I'm not sure he
> understands
> > >how important it is, how to fix it,  or how that lack of rudder can
make
> the
> > >worst talent look bad. Even on the teleconference call he said
> specifically
> > >that you get the talent and then you worry about chemistry second, as
if
> > >they both operate in a vacuum with no effect on each other. An
example -
> > >HMurdoch I think posted the concern we have about eh Evil Ricky popping
> back
> > >up, and IMO the rudderless losing is far more likely to make that
happen,
> > >and sooner rather than later.
> > > > Kim
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: JB <jim_metz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Feb 22, 2004 5:01 PM
> > > > To: Celticsstuffgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Cc: Celtics List <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Don't get the detractors
> > > >
> > > > >  Don't get the detractors....
> > > > >
> > > > >  DJessen33
> > > > *****************
> > > >
> > > > It looks good on paper, DJ and I would have made both trades, but
what
> > > > are we left with? A rudderless group of players, which can't be yet
> > > > called a team.
> > > > What did we have before he got here? A sixth seed and a second round
> > > > playoff team. While it was Wallace and Gaston who gutted the 2002
> team,
> > > > most fans are blaming that on Ainge. In any event, the team was
seen
> > > > as competitive and won it's share.
> > > > As my college professor used to tell us about the appealing anarchic
> > > > philosophies of the day; "It's easy to tear down, but rare are the
> ones
> > > > who can rebuild."
> > > > Danny has taken us down the dark tunnel, let's see if he can get us
> > > > out the other side.
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > > Unchain My Heart!
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 22, 2004, at 2:17 PM, Celtic4Hire@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Danny is a moron? Let's take a look:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Walker = Jiri, Atkins, 2 no. 1s and LaFrentz
> > > > >
> > > > >  EWill, Battie, Kedrick = Ricky D, Mihm and Stewart
> > > > >
> > > > >  Terrible trades? How do you figure? We essentially got 3 no. 1s
> > > > > (including
> > > > >  Welsch) and our starting power forward (although out for the
year)
> > > > > for Walker.
> > > > >  That is outstanding. We got the two best players in the second
> trade
> > > > > in RickyD
> > > > >  and Mihm.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Drafting? Got a keeper in Banks and what now seems like a
God-like
> > > > > lucky
> > > > >  selection of Brandon Hunter in the second round.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Don't get the detractors....
> > > > >
> > > > >  DJessen33
> >
> > Snoopy the Celtics Beagle
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