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RE: THE BIG PICTURE
What you refuse to see is the potential disruption of Walker during this
time period. According to Walker: (To paraphrase his comment's.)
1. Even though the Dir. of Basketball wanted to change the style of play,
the team was going to continue to play the way it always had with a grind it
out offense going through him.
2. That he should be extended for max money and max term even though he had
two more guaranteed years on his contract.
Now with that said, do you even feel it is being fair to show Walker that
you are just holding on to him until a good enough offer comes in? This is
a guy that with very thin skin who used to whine about Pitino shopping him.
Remember that Walker accused Ainge of trying to sabotage his career by
trading him to a premier (Top 4?) team because his personal stats will
decline due to playing with more talented teammates.
You expect Walker to play as well as last year so the team can pretend to be
a playoff team. I don't believe that would have happened. And every time
Ainge made a move we would have seen Walker fume about it in the press.
"Yet, even if his game declined slightly between now and this time next year
his value would have risen
due to his cap number."
At what damage to the team during that 1.5 years of keeping him while he was
unhappy? Ainge got a deal that could work for the C's and one that could
work for Walker. You think we could have gotten more, but at what expense
to Walker.
I think it showed a bunch of respect for Walker. More then half this list
felt that Walker should be playing the SF if the team had a decent 4 and 5.
Walker wanted the ball to go through him, Dallas was going to do that. It
was a dream shot for Walker to be traded there. Who else but Cuban would
even consider a max-max deal for him? Only Walker saw any disrespect.
"I guarantee we would have gotten a better deal." You may be right. You
may also be wrong. I still like the deal from all aspects.
<Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Giovanello [mailto:sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:38 AM
To: jahill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: THE BIG PICTURE
Thats what you appear not to get. Walker, even if he played like last
year, is still the second best player on this team and makes them a
playoff team. Danny could have checked the offers at the deadline this
year (Portland didnt just dump the troublemaking and underperforming
Sheed) and if it wasnt there either a) hope he walks at the end of the
year or just carry him till this time next year and deal him for some
decent talent. I guarantee we would have gotten a better deal. You
seem to think that we traded Walker at the highest low point in terms of
his career arc and future in the league. Yet, even if his game declined
slightly between now and this time next year his value would have risen
due to his cap number. If you divorce it from the cap, you have a shaky
leg to stand on. If you look at the cap, you are way way wrong.
Jim Hill wrote:
><Not trading Antoine would be called
>prudential decision-making after taking a look at the market...>
>
>Nonsense. Keeping Walker under the circumstances would be considered a
>error, not just a gamble.
>
>The downside of keeping him was too low. What were the odds of him working
>hard all season and coming into camp next year in shape after being told
>that the Celt's were not going to extend him but were just waiting to
unload
>him for some team to use him as a cap dump? Come on. Be real. He would
>have been a disaster. It is Walker that is confused and thinks he is a top
>50 player.
>
>If Walker gets shipped out of Dallas, as I am guessing he will be, to be
>used as a salary dump before his current contract is up and he shows up for
>that next training camp on time, in shape and without whining I will buy
you
>a steak or began or whatever dinner with wine, cognac etc... (Though you
>have dinner with me!) That offer is what I call a risk. Walker thinks
that
>Dallas is going to give him a max extension. If that doesn't happen we'll
>see what he would have been like here.
>
>Danny got a good over all return for him. Walker just wasn't good enough
to
>overcome his negatives. Remember we also were able to move Delk's contract
>due to that trade. I think Delk may be a good guy, but his contract was
too
>high for what he brought to the table.
>
>This was a good deal. You have to like Welsch and LaFrantz will be a solid
>third guy based on his contract and don't forget Arenas, Parker, Boozer and
>many other quality players were late first or second round picks. Don't
>give up on that pick, Wallace won't be making it this time.
>
><Jim
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sean Giovanello [mailto:sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:17 PM
>To: jahill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Cc: Celtics
>Subject: Re: THE BIG PICTURE
>
>
>A gamble is trading for Vin Baker with the hope of him revitalizing his
>career in Boston. A risk is trading for Ricky Davis who has been a
>troublemaker his entire career and who thinks he is one of the 50
>greatest players of all time. Not trading Antoine would be called
>prudential decision-making after taking a look at the market...
>
>Jim Hill wrote:
>
>
>
>>A big hopeful "maybe" is the best you, or anyone, can even say. What if
>>Walker got injured? What if you had held onto him and he opted out to be
>>spiteful for not getting his extension and you got nothing at all.
>>(Doubtful, but possible.)
>>
>>No one wanted Walker until he appealed to Cuban directly over the summer.
>>No one. To wait two years and hope you got more for him, while listening
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>him whine everyday because he was only getting million$ this year and next
>>year, but not the following 6 years, is ludicrous. To have a player, any
>>player, come out and say that the style of play was going to be how he
>>wanted and not move him would be foolish.
>>
>>You seem to believe that Walker the "cap space" has higher potential value
>>then Walker the "player". That is a heck of a legacy isn't it. Some
>>
>>
>praise
>
>
>>for keeping him.
>>
>>The team is better off without him under the current circumstances. IMO.
>>Let's see if Dallas is coming to the same conclusion. His name is being
>>tossed around it seems.
>>
>>I'll take a LaFrantz/Welsh/#1/? (Mills) in the hand Vs. such a big maybe
in
>>two years. But I'm not a gambler. Risk taker yes, gambler no.
>>
>>To each their own.
>>
>><Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Sean Giovanello [mailto:sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:10 PM
>>To: jahill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Cc: Celtics
>>Subject: Re: THE BIG PICTURE
>>
>>
>>***
>>
>>Name another trade available.
>>***
>>Available just before the season? I would be hard pressed to. Available
>>
>>
>at
>
>
>>this years deadline? At next years deadline? I know we could have done
>>better.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jim Hill wrote:
>>
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>>>I think Ainge has done a good job upgrading limited talent and shedding
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>some
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>lousy contracts that he inherited.
>>>
>>>Walker and Delk for Welsch, LaFrantz, Mills and a #1. The Celt's were
not
>>>going to pay Walker max money and years and he wasn't going to play
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>anything
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>but his own "game". Name another trade available. Anyone? Egg, what
>>>offers were on the table for Walker? Would anyone have even taken Delk
>>>straight up? We get a couple good players with OK contracts (One RC and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>one
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>high contract), cap room, some potential in a #1 pick and then clean out
a
>>>contract and an unhappy player. Works for me.
>>>
>>>The Clippers passed on Walker, the Chicago trade went tumbling down the
>>>road, if it was for real. What team ever wanted to trade for Walker?
>>>
>>>A washed up Ellison err..Battie, one of my favorites in Williams (who
>>>
>>>
>would
>
>
>>>have been unrestricted at the end of the year and who wasn't going to be
>>>resigned so we would have lost him for nothing) and Kedrick, a black eye
>>>
>>>
>of
>
>
>>>Wallace's and reason enough to take his keys away, in return for Davis,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Mihm
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>>>(a restricted FA) and Stewart. Three guys who are all tradable on their
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>own
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>>
>>>for three that were not tradable on their own. Celtics win this big long
>>>term.
>>>
>>>Vin Baker. Not Danny's making, but is his problem. Until this issue is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>put
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>to rest this team has a major handicap.
>>>
>>>As long as the second, third and fifth highest paid players on a 15 man
>>>roster are not on the court because of medical issues a NBA team is not
>>>going to compete. Period.
>>>
>>>I am sure that THE BIG PICTURE includes having those players or their
>>>replacements being off IR. I am waiting for the audition as well. So
far
>>>he has moved in the right direction, regardless of what "the class clown
>>>formally known as a basketball player" Barkley thinks.
>>>
>>><Jim
>>>
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