Re: The Celtics Report HOOPSWORLD.com NBA News and Information

["Greg Odegaard" <grodeg@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Nice of you to notice Joshua but why can't you figure out the argument here?
We all know you are a legend in your own mind, but why not actually try and
do this simple thing?  Why go to the effort of posting the link so your fan
club can get their fix, and not post the ACTUAL article?  Are you this
thoughtless to your Mom and lap cat?

Come up for air boy, put on some chapstick, and explain your continued
insensitive behavior to us all instead of trying to cover up your "mistakes"
by trying to be cute.  After reading the many emails you have sent me on
this topic, I often wonder if you really are the person posting those "fine"
articles. I somehow doubt it greatly. And as someone so nicely pointed out
to me directly recently, it would be nice if Joshua figured out how to use
the spellchecker before posting his work to the world and beyond.

We all await your witty reply.  You and Ray are of the same mold, the hit
and run journalistic assassin.

See how easy it is to use the spellchecker?  Give it a try along with that
lovely cut and pasted function. Those boys at Apple and MS are real sharp
are they not?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Ozersky" <jozersky1@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Greg Odegaard" <grodeg@xxxxxxxxxx>; "celtics list" <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: The Celtics Report HOOPSWORLD.com NBA News and Information


> Great to hear from you, Greggy!  Fans like you
> make it all worth while!  Don't hide your light
> under a bushel!
>
> Josh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Odegaard" <grodeg@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Josh Ozersky" <jozersky1@xxxxxxxxxx>; "celtics list"
<celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: The Celtics Report HOOPSWORLD.com NBA News and Information
>
>
> > Because many have applauded attempts in the past to get Josh to behave
> with
> > some respect to others, I am going to post his ACTUAL article here and
not
> > require those who can't or won't have to click on a link to read this
> "fine"
> > writing.  Is it because it is somehow copyrighted that Josh is afraid to
> > post the ACTUAL article here and not just the link or he is so
insensitive
> > or stupid, or both to not truly concern himself with the efforts of
> others?
> > Well if so, he did write it and copyrighted or not, I couldn't care
less.
> >
> > Josh, you have begged, pleaded and kissed your own butt so many time for
> > virtually the entire time I have resided on this list, hoping for some
> shred
> > of feedback on your writings, to boost your clearly fragile ego, so why
> not
> > post the ACTUAL article in an email and not just the link?  Your writing
> > isn't bad, but with all due respect it isn't "that" good either.  Is
shows
> > promise and it does show a sense of being on topic and brief, which can
be
> a
> > challenge, but in the end it is nothing more than another Celtic's fan
> > attempt at speaking his peace, and in your case so clearly for he
purpose
> of
> > receiving praise and feedback and some tiny hope to stroke the Polish
Ego
> > that is Joshua.
> >
> > I don't say much anymore, as most people probably appreciate, but then
> again
> > neither does virtually anyone else around, except maybe to brag on
Banks,
> > rag on Ray or wax the ridiculous on how we should track the preseason
wins
> > predictions.  I bet no more than 5 people here really care about that,
yet
> > we somehow need to outsource the effort to Microsoft to spit polish the
> > relatively useless information.
> >
> > Let's hope the preseason goes well, the season goes better and we get a
> step
> > closer to #17.  What more is there to really concern ourselves with
> anyway?
> >
> > Maybe Joshua will finally get a clue and we won't need to have this
> > discussion again someday.  Fat chance.
> >
> > Take care all and have a nice week.........really,
> > Greg
> >
> > And now the ACTUAL article in question, provided to you by someone who
> won't
> > insist you have to click on a link.  Feel free to give Josh the honest
> > feedback he so clearly is dieing to have:
> >
> > The Celtics Report
> > By Josh Ozersky
> > for HOOPSWORLD.com
> > Sep 27, 2003, 20:57
> >
> > Summer is over, and not a minute too soon! Training camp starts in two
> days.
> > Hallelujah! After having suffered under the burden of baseball,
blackouts,
> > and the Great Boston Media Omerta, Boston fans are ready for the return
of
> > the green.
> >
> > They'll be plenty to talk and think about in the coming weeks. But in
the
> > meantime, here are five things to think about as we go into training
camp:
> >
> > Obie's Guys vs. Danny's Guys
> > If there is one thing that has endeared Jim O'Brien to his players, it
is
> > his intense loyalty to them. If they do what he asks, take the right
> > attitude, accept their roles and play hard on defense, he will go to the
> > wall for them. Why do you think Walter McCarty got a raise two days
after
> > management said they could only offer him the minimum? Why has Eric
> Williams
> > gotten extensive minutes every year, despite the fact that he rebounds
> like
> > a point guard, passes like a backup center, and has a single NBA
offensive
> > skill which is basically wasted in the Celtics' offense. (The coaches
run
> a
> > play for him, what, twice a game?). Williams, McCarty, Tony Delk: these
> are
> > going to be very hard guys to dislodge from O'Brien's substitution
> patterns.
> > On the other hand, if the Celtics are going to become an effective
running
> > team, they are going to need the athletes that Ainge added to the roster
> > this year, or has special plans for: Marcus Banks, Brandon Hunter,
Kedrick
> > Brown, and Jumaine Jones. Every one of these guys provides something
that
> > the Celtics need desperately. But we're already hearing about how they
> will
> > probably be "practice players." Unless the Celtics are practicing to
bite
> > the pillow for the Nets again this year, that can't happen.
> >
> > The T-Formation or the Shotgun?
> > This brings up another point. The Celtics have been running the
basketball
> > equivalent of the T-Formation for three years now. That's an effective
> style
> >  if you happen to have 400-pound linemen; but the Celtics are
> bantam-sized,
> > even in basketball terms. They have no business trying to grind it out
in
> > the half-court. Antoine Walker is a finesse player; Paul Pierce is a
> > shooting guard. The Celtics very rarely get any of those lightening
> strikes
> > which seem as much intellectual triumphs as athletic ones, and which
make
> > the game sweet for players and fans alike. And this despite the fact
that
> > Walker, Williams, Pierce, and Battie have developed a nice chemistry and
> get
> > a few backdoor dunks and layups in each game. But defenses know to load
in
> > on the two main guys, and O'Brien's ridiculous overdependence on
> three-point
> > shooting has been as public a failure as was Pitino's much-reviled
press.
> It
> > turns out that there are only a handful of players in the league at any
> > given time who can be counted upon to make open jumpers after not
touching
> > the ball for long stretches. Dana Barros.  Steve Kerr.  Craig Hodges.
> They
> > are rarely good defenders. Walter McCarty is probably the Celtics' best
> > double-duty defender / three-point shooter, and he can only hit when he
> gets
> > the ball right on the numbers and perfectly in rhythm. (And then, of
> course,
> > he's not around to rebound.)
> >
> > So the system has to go. But who says that O'Brien knows how to install
a
> > new one? Not much coaching on the basic level goes on in the NBA; the
> > practices are short, and mostly stress team defense, which slips
> > surprisingly easy without constant drilling. Then there are the
installed
> > plays. To first start teaching uptempo basketball to players who don't
> > already have a solid grounding in it takes a lot more than yelling "run,
> > run, run," like Tommy Heinsohn does.  "For a running offense to work,"
> Ainge
> > told me at Shaw, "all five players have to be committed to it. It
doesn't
> > just happen." The Celtics of old used to practice full court passes,
> filling
> > the lanes, making the right decisions at every point of the break. Will
O'
> > Brien's constipated system accommodate such a radical 180-degree shift
in
> > midgame? Especially when his favorites are glowering on the pine?
> >
> > Cross your fingers.
> >
> > What Do You Hate Most About the NBA Preview Channel?
> > I could go on about this for days. Is it that excruciating, unbearable,
> > retarded Adam Sandler commercial, which begins "Bibby takes it to the
> > hole..." and gets more painful with every second? Or the Christina
> Aguilera
> > promo? Or that shmaltzy "I'm gonna watch you shine" PR video? How about
> the
> > "highlights" of women's basketball, still a symphony of klutzy lunges,
> > shot-put heaves at the basket, and ready-to-snap ACLs? It would be one
> thing
> > if they got strippers to play, and had them do it in high heels, as in a
> > memorable commercial from some years past - but these women, aside from
> > being so slow and mechanical and graceless, are ugos to boot. What a
> torture
> > chamber this station is!  To make its uselessness complete, it didn't
even
> > show the Pan-American games.
> >
> > "The Veteran Forward Hopes to Prove His Critics Wrong"
> > These words, which you will almost surely see printed in the Boston
papers
> > as frequently as "tot-slay suspect" in their New York counterparts,
could
> > describe either Walker or Baker. Both guys are in major show-me mode:
> Walker
> > to keep his status (and his salary) as an elite player, and Baker just
to
> > stay in the league. Both guys are completely capable of performing at a
> > higher level than last year's; but can they do it without the deck being
> > shuffled? I think Walker needs to play at least some minutes at three.
> It's
> > not so much that he can't contend with the leagues better big forwards;
> > despite his undressing by Kenyon Martin, he did a great job on Jermaine
O'
> > Neal, and has had good games against other big forwards, few of whom can
> > cover him when he faces the basket with a live dribble. But it takes a
lot
> > of energy out of him, and with 25 pounds less body mass, it will be that
> > much harder for him to contend around the rim. But even at 25 pounds
less,
> > he should still be able to overpower threes. And since few of these are
> tall
> > enough to block his shot, he should be able to pass out of the post with
> > greater frequency - his most valuable skill, in many ways.
> >
> > Of Baker, what can you say? If he's sober, he can play. But even last
> year,
> > he showed flashes of competence, and even talent - when he got the ball.
> > Baker, I think, is the kind of guy that needs to score some to feel
> > involved. That means running plays for him. He's going to have some
> > defensive lapses, and he's going to miss some easy shots. If Obie will
> stay
> > with him, he has a good chance to become a legitimate player again. But
as
> > with so much else on this team, it will be rebuilding this team from the
> > ground up, and going against the very principals that made O'Brien and
the
> > team succeed to begin with.. How I wish the Celtics had hired a
top-flight
> > offensive assistant for O'Brien! They're a good team, but their coach,
and
> > his bosses, have to put them in a position to succeed.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Josh Ozersky" <jozersky1@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "celtics list" <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 2:41 PM
> > Subject: Fw: The Celtics Report HOOPSWORLD.com NBA News and Information
> >
> >
> > > New column up about the Celtics -- more than Peter May can say....
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Josh Ozersky
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:38 PM
> > > Subject: The Celtics Report HOOPSWORLD.com NBA News and Information
> > >
> > >
> > > thought you might enjoy this one...
> > >
> > >  http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_5413.shtml
> > >
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