Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: I challenge you

[Celtic4Hire@xxxxxxx]

I have finally found someone who would makes the '"fair and balanced" 
category. I also liked the way you broke it up into categories. 

Let me first say that I would thank all who have responded to date. It does a 
lot to explain how some value our players. God makes all kinds, I guess, 
sunny days and cloudy days. Howver,  I have to say for those folks who ranked 
rookies who haven't even played in the NBA better than Twan haven't done much for 
their credibility. 

I also would like to help with the definition of better. Let's say you are 
putting a team out there and you got your center and point guard which are kind 
of specialty positions. Therefore, you would already have a guy who can bring 
it up the floor and generate offense and a guy who will rebound and play 
defense. This makes the selection and comparison a little easier. Now, who would be 
the next best player to next add to the team? 

Some, like Mourning, was amusing. He didn't even play last year but he has to 
be better than Twan. This reaches the area of saying Walker had a negative 
benefit last year. Humorous.

Cassell, another amusing one. He gets traded for Joe Smith. Joe Smith? And 
they are better than Twan? And apparently these folks haven't got up on the 
reading on how Cassell becomes disliked on every team he is on.

Andre Miller? Wow. Did you not see his play last year for the Clippers. 
Better than Twan? How?

Now I will comment on the gentleman's ratings below. I will go with your 
definites. I'll let Nash go to the definites category. However, Rose, Bibby (who 
just had one great playoff on a great team and dissappointed last year), Gasol 
and Peja in the notch below. I would put Vince, Marion, Mashburn, the Wallace 
brothers and Stoudamire be in the debatable stage. However, I have to add 
Martin and Baron Davis to this list. 

Players like Randolph and Ming will be there, maybe by midseason, but they 
aren't there today.

I also have to agree that Malone is a little wobbly at the definites spot. 
Finley is a little shaky also (big is always better than small) but I will leave 
them there.

Did anyone watch Gasol play last year? Great potential but he needs a lot of 
work and build up. If he is that good at his young age, why are the Griz 
thinking about trading him? Reality check?

I also want to note that Webber and Walker were considered equals back when 
Webber was with the Bullets/Wizards. Then he gets traded to a better team and 
he suddenly reaches the superstar status. I would tend to think Walker would do 
as well on the Kings with his versatility. Yet, Walker has hit many big shots 
to win games where the rascally Webba never has. Something to think about.....

DJessen33

> <Definites:
> Nowitzki
> Finley
> Shaq
> Kobe
> Garnett
> Duncan
> Kidd
> Webber
> McGrady
> Brand
> Jermaine O'Neal
> Malone
> Francis
> Pierce
> Payton
> 
> About the same:
> Carter
> Bibby
> Jalen Rose
> Stoudamire (could also fit below)
> Marion (could also fit below)
> Gasol (could also fit below)
> Mashburn
> Cassell
> Rasheed Wallace
> Ben Wallace
> Nash
> Peja
> 
> Likely will be better some day:
> Chandler
> Curry
> Yao
> Anthony
> James
> Gooden
> 
> A notch below:
> Martin
> Abdur-Rahim
> Glenn Robinson
> Terry
> Ricky Davis
> Caron Butler
> Stackhouse
> Hamilton
> Artest
> Szcerbiak
> Baron Davis
> Van Horn
> Maggette
> Odom
> Lewis
> Allen
> Jamison
> Kirilenko
> Harpring
> Ratliff
> McDeyss (will he ever be healthy again?)
> 
> Why in the world were you guys bringing these guys up?
> Eddie Griffin - benched in favor of Mo Taylor last year. Is Mo 
> Taylor better than Walker?
> Divac - Huh?