Re: Stop. Reverse.

[Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i@xxxxxxxxx>]

--- Shawn Niles <shizzjr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A couple mistakes in your post....

What you meant to say is that there are a couple
mistakes in your post...
> 
> Never listen to anything Pete Shepard says. He
> hasn't had a competant 
> thought in years. Of course the media guys are going
> to back Antoine on 
> this. By all accounts, he was great to the media.
> Gave all kinds of quotes, 
> was kind to them... of course they'll back him over
> a guy like Danny who 
> does not give the media any information.

COME ON.  The boston media hated Antoine...how many
anti-Antoine articles has Peter May or Bob "Antoine is
a punk" Ryan written?  At least 25 among the two of
them.  As for them backing Antoine over Danny, are you
high?  They're regurgitating the company line right
now.  They're eating right out of Danny's hand.
> 
> Danny is starting to remind me a lot of Belichick in
> the sense that he feels 
> no need to let the media in on anything. And I love
> it. Why put anything out 
> there that other teams might be able to use. The
> goal is to win and make 
> your team the best it can be...  not to give as many
> quotes and sound bytes 
> as possible.

No, what Danny does is manipulate the media and I
guess if you love falsehood, dishonestly, and being
manipulated then he's your man.  Did you read the
papers today?  Danny basically says (a)
everybody--except him, the owners, and O'Brien--is
stupid (b) both teams were improved by the trade (this
is what teams that got the short end of a trade always
say..."both teams will benefit".  Since when is that a
good thing?  I thought you made trades that helped
your team and hurt the other team...we compete with
every team in this league and we can't go around
making trades that improve another team...it only
lessens our ability to win a
championship...hypothetically, if we traded with every
team in the league and each trade "benefits each team"
then we would never get better, since better-ness is
measured against other teams....trades are made to
screw people and to make yourself better.  It's like
we're a bunch of socialists since we so concerned
about how the other party makes out in a transaction. 
  Furthermore, you don't see Dallas saying that the
trade benefits both teams.  Why not?  Because they got
the best of the trade and they don't care what the
hell happens in Boston)._

> As for most writers and some on this list not liking
> the trade... it all 
> depends on your reasons. As for the writers, they
> just don't know enough 
> about the team. I hate when anyone brings up the
> difference in statistics or 
> the fact that Antoine averaged 20 points a game. Has
> there ever been a more 
> bloated 20 point per game scorer in the history of
> the game? Lafrentz played 
> 15 minutes per game behind Nash, Finley, and
> Nowitzki. Of course he's not 
> going to score a lot in that situation. Antoine
> played 40 minutes a game and 
> was your 2nd and sometimes 1st go to guy. It only
> makes sense he would score 
> a lot.
> 
> But not only that...  it took him about 25 shots a
> game to get those 20 
> points!!!!  That is so completely, utterly, and
> totally inefficient. 
> Lafrentz will get you 15 a game on 12 shots and now
> you have 12 shots freed 
> up for others to take. Casual fans can't see that.
> They see only 20 Vs. 9. 
> That is such a small part of the picture.
> 
> BTW, Antoine can wave goodbye to any more All Star
> appearances for a long 
> long time. He might never get back there, unless he
> someday returns to the 
> East.

You know what he can wave hello to?  Championships, an
owner that likes him and rewards him for hard work,
and a GM that will work to get the best out of him. 
And you know what?  If somebody gets injured (say Dirk
or Finley) Antoine will be a All-Star on that team. 
And, depending on how well Dallas plays, Antoine could
be an all-star...it's not out of the realm of
possibility that Antoine could average 15 points, 10
boards, 7 assists as a small forward...plenty good to
be an All-Star.
> 
> 
> >From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: Celtics@xxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Stop.  Reverse.  Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003
> 19:32:38 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Here's some news...just about 5 minutes ago on FSNE
> >there were a couple interesting things said. 
> First,
> >LaFrentz was held out of shoot-around at the C's
> >practice tonight.  FSNE showed a clip of Danny,
> Pags,
> >and the team doctor as they were studying what
> >allegedly was an X-ray of Raef's ankle.  They then
> >went on to say that Raef had a bad ankle injury
> last
> >year and that he had severly sprained that same
> ankle
> >in the past.  At this point, the trade is still not
> >official.  Antoine and Tony were held out of
> Dallas'
> >game tonight because it is not official yet.  Could
> >the trade be rescinded?  Could Dallas replace Raef
> >with another player?  At this time, those questions
> >will remain hanging...but let me tell you all
> >this...if we take Raef on with an existing ankle
> >injury, this trade goes from bad to worse.
> >
> >Second news item from FSNE.  According to Pete
> >Shepard, Ainge took a couple of "pot shots" at
> Antoine
> >on the radio this morning.  If anyone heard what
> >exactly was said, it would be appreciated if you
> could
> >relay it to this list.  Anyways, these disparaging
> >remarks by Danny only go to further prove what an
> >unprofessional and personal hatred Danny had of
> >Antoine.  Combine that with the emerging stories of
> >Antoine "sulking" his way through the preseason, to
> >Danny's comments of Antoine's "stranglehold" on the
> >franchise, and I think what we have here is some
> >serious slandering of Antoine.  Where were these
> >stories when Antoine was here?  Sure the local
> writers
> >are incompenant, but if Antoine was such an ass
> >because of the lack of a contract extension, they
> >surely would have written about it.  It's obvious
> from
> >this glut of anti-Antoine sentiment just now
> surfacing
> >in the papers that the Celtics are planting this
> >information in the hope to "justify" an obviously
> >sub-standard deal to the public.  I for one am
> pissed.
> >  I can handle a bad trade...they've been happening
> for
> >a while now.  I can't handle a blantant
> manipulation
> >of the media in the hopes of justifying a bad
> trade.
> >
> >Ryan
> >
> >(Hoping to see the look on Danny's face when he has
> to
> >spin the fact that Antoine is coming back because
> >LaFrentz is injured).
> >
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