Snoop, please post some lessons in creative writing so we may not offend anyone.
DanF
----- Original Message ----- From: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??
> Spree was bandied about as trade bait to Boston. Some people on the > list--myself included--didn't want Spree because of his attempted murder of > Carlesimo. > > Pierce PLAYS FOR BOSTON. The details of his injury had a DIRECT EFFECT on > his ability to play for Boston--or whether he played AT ALL. > > I don't mind discussing Kobe as relates to his physical conditioning (or > lack of it), his mental/emotional status, or whether he should not have to > talk to the press in light of the kinds of non-basketball questions he > gets. That, and plenty of other Kobe-related stuff is germane to us as > Celtics fans. But, for the life of me, I don't see how a detailed > description of the physical condition of his accuser is in any way relevant > to basketball. Relevant to the case, yes. Relevant to the woman who has > accused him, yes. Relevant to us as Celtics fans? No. I just don't > believe that to be so, and it is quite unlikely that any further arguments > will change my mind. > > > At 10:33 PM 10/13/03 -0400, Dan Forant wrote: > > >What we haven't discussed other teams players here in totality? Like the > >Spree choking in detail?? Pierce's nite clubbing and stabbing? And adults > >can't discuss Kobe's problem without being graphic? > > > >DanF > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx> > >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:21 PM > >Subject: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS?? > > > > > > > At 04:26 PM 10/11/03 -0400, Dan Forant wrote: > > > > > > >Please explain the difference in Kobe's case compared to the AA posts we > > > >went through with Baker??? Also guys list all the taboo subjects you > >don't > > > >want discussed. > > > > > > In no particular order: > > > > > > Difference #1: Vin Baker plays for the Boston Celtics. Kobe does > > > not. This is a Celtics-based list. > > > > > > Difference #2: This list discussed Baker's problem in context of how--or > > > if--he could continue to play for Boston, how the team treated his > >problem, > > > and how he has played since entering rehab. The discussion regarding the > > > details what may (or may not) have happened between Kobe and his accuser > > > has, so far as I can tell, nothing whatsoever to do with the Celtics, or > > > basketball in general, except as a peripheral comment on the violent > > > behavior of professional basketball players. Even then, this kind of > > > detail is unwarranted, at least here. I presume it might be at least > > > minimally more germaine to a Lakers-based list. > > > > > > Granted, some of the talk about alcoholism in general may have wandered a > > > little far afield, but at least it still held strong relevance to Vin > > > Baker, and I personally found it informative. > > > > > > As was mentioned, there are probably kids who read this list--though, I > > > would hope, with parental supervision. While we can't pretend they're so > > > naive as to think there are no bad people in the world, I think it's > > > reasonable to at least not go chapter and verse into events that really > > > don't have a place here. > > > > > > For myself, I've never minded if the topic wanders a little occasionally, > > > but some things are just not appropriate, and I have to say that post > >would > > > be one of them. I'm not timid myself. As a writer, I've written a > >violent > > > scene or two myself (though only for books specifically geared away from > > > kids). We owe the kids our restraint in this venue, and even our fellow > > > adults. Not everyone is strong of stomach. > > > > > > I think Dan seems to view this as a censorship (MY word, NOT his) issue. > >I > > > think it's more a matter of exercising good judgement, which frankly, may > > > not have happened. Ray did realize he should have posted a warning > >header, > > > which would have helped, and I give him credit for that. But I think the > > > wiser course would have been not to repost the article. > > > > > > The matter with Kobe is unprecedented in several ways, not least of which > > > is the availability of graphic detail that in years past never left the > > > courtroom. Now such things are routinely included in books, movies, and > >TV > > > series. And so, online as well. I'm a proponent of the sharing of > > > information,but the question of the appropriate venue must be considered > > > before sharing it. > > > > > > I'm sure there are sites online that gather all the facts--and > > > fiction--about Kobe's trial. I personally think it might be better for > > > those interested to simply go there, or join the appropriate list, leaving > > > it off this one. Of course, as an old friend used to say "Of COURSE > >that's > > > "just my opinion"--do YOU see any stone tablets here?" > > > > > > It's just sad. Two families lives will be destroyed no matter what > > > happens. Do we REALLY need to hear all the sordid details?