Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Snoop, please post some lessons in creative writing so we may not offend
anyone.

DanF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??


> Spree was bandied about as trade bait to Boston.  Some people on the
> list--myself included--didn't want Spree because of his attempted murder
of
> Carlesimo.
>
> Pierce PLAYS FOR BOSTON.  The details of his injury had a DIRECT EFFECT on
> his ability to play for Boston--or whether he played AT ALL.
>
> I don't mind discussing Kobe as relates to his physical conditioning (or
> lack of it), his mental/emotional status, or whether he should not have to
> talk to the press in light of the kinds of non-basketball questions he
> gets.  That, and plenty of other Kobe-related stuff is germane to us as
> Celtics fans.  But, for the life of me, I don't see how a detailed
> description of the physical condition of his accuser is in any way
relevant
> to basketball.  Relevant to the case, yes.  Relevant to the woman who has
> accused him, yes.  Relevant to us as Celtics fans?  No.  I just don't
> believe that to be so, and it is quite unlikely that any further arguments
> will change my mind.
>
>
> At 10:33 PM 10/13/03 -0400, Dan Forant wrote:
>
> >What we haven't discussed other teams players here in totality? Like the
> >Spree choking in detail?? Pierce's nite clubbing and stabbing? And adults
> >can't discuss Kobe's problem without being graphic?
> >
> >DanF
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:21 PM
> >Subject: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??
> >
> >
> > > At 04:26 PM 10/11/03 -0400, Dan Forant wrote:
> > >
> > > >Please explain the difference in Kobe's case compared to the AA posts
we
> > > >went through with Baker??? Also guys list all the taboo subjects you
> >don't
> > > >want discussed.
> > >
> > > In no particular order:
> > >
> > > Difference #1: Vin Baker plays for the Boston Celtics.  Kobe does
> > > not.  This is a Celtics-based list.
> > >
> > > Difference #2: This list discussed Baker's problem in context of
how--or
> > > if--he could continue to play for Boston, how the team treated his
> >problem,
> > > and how he has played since entering rehab.  The discussion regarding
the
> > > details what may (or may not) have happened between Kobe and his
accuser
> > > has, so far as I can tell, nothing whatsoever to do with the Celtics,
or
> > > basketball in general, except as a peripheral comment on the violent
> > > behavior of professional basketball players.  Even then, this kind of
> > > detail is unwarranted, at least here.  I presume it might be at least
> > > minimally more germaine to a Lakers-based list.
> > >
> > > Granted, some of the talk about alcoholism in general may have
wandered a
> > > little far afield, but at least it still held strong relevance to Vin
> > > Baker, and I personally found it informative.
> > >
> > > As was mentioned, there are probably kids who read this list--though,
I
> > > would hope, with parental supervision.  While we can't pretend they're
so
> > > naive as to think there are no bad people in the world, I think it's
> > > reasonable to at least not go chapter and verse into events that
really
> > > don't have a place here.
> > >
> > > For myself, I've never minded if the topic wanders a little
occasionally,
> > > but some things are just not appropriate, and I have to say that post
> >would
> > > be one of them.  I'm not timid myself.  As a writer, I've written a
> >violent
> > > scene or two myself (though only for books specifically geared away
from
> > > kids).  We owe the kids our restraint in this venue, and even our
fellow
> > > adults.  Not everyone is strong of stomach.
> > >
> > > I think Dan seems to view this as a censorship (MY word, NOT his)
issue.
> >I
> > > think it's more a matter of exercising good judgement, which frankly,
may
> > > not have happened.  Ray did realize he should have posted a warning
> >header,
> > > which would have helped, and I give him credit for that.  But I think
the
> > > wiser course would have been not to repost the article.
> > >
> > > The matter with Kobe is unprecedented in several ways, not least of
which
> > > is the availability of graphic detail that in years past never left
the
> > > courtroom.  Now such things are routinely included in books, movies,
and
> >TV
> > > series.  And so, online as well.  I'm a proponent of the sharing of
> > > information,but the question of the appropriate venue must be
considered
> > > before sharing it.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are sites online that gather all the facts--and
> > > fiction--about Kobe's trial.  I personally think it might be better
for
> > > those interested to simply go there, or join the appropriate list,
leaving
> > > it off this one.  Of course, as an old friend used to say "Of COURSE
> >that's
> > > "just my opinion"--do YOU see any stone tablets here?"
> > >
> > > It's just sad.  Two families lives will be destroyed no matter what
> > > happens.  Do we REALLY need to hear all the sordid details?