Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??

[Cecil <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the update.  I thought OJ was still starting for the Bills.

Perhaps I'm not as interested as you are in the life of Kobe Bryant.  I am
more concerned with the Boston Celtics, crime that it may be.

Cecil


----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Forant <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??


> Uummm OJ wasn't an active player when he went head hunting......Read and
> listen to the news posts linking Kobe to basketball. Is he a pilot? A
miner?
> Brain surgeon? Milkman? A Martian maybe? Relative of ET?
>
> DanF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cecil" <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??
>
>
> > I don't personally believe that Kobe's case has any more to do with
> > basketball than OJ's had to do with football.
> >
> > Cecil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you
SERIOUS??
> >
> >
> > > Maybe I'm naive, or perhaps just nostalgic, but I'd like to think
> parents
> > > somewhere are still making an effort to exert a reasonable influence
> over
> > > exactly how much info the kids get, lest they somehow DO end up "on
some
> > > porn site".
> > >
> > > And, to clarify, I realize that Kobe himself is basketball related.
The
> > > notion of whether he will play--or how well--is indeed relevant,
though
> at
> > > this juncture, perhaps moreso to the Lakers than to the Celtics.  But
> > > chapter and verse on his accuser's physical condition?  Sorry, that's
> not
> > > relevant in my view.  And if "All any kid has to do is look at a
> newspaper
> > > and they'll get the same article," then why post it here?  We play LA
> > twice
> > > a year, unless both teams make the Finals.   How important is it to
the
> > > Celtics on a daily basis?
> > >
> > > At 10:05 AM 10/13/03 -0400, Shawn Niles wrote:
> > >
> > > >I hate to agree with Ray, but I see no problem posting the Kobe
> articles.
> > > >This is a basketball related list, and Kobe's trial certainly has a
lot
> > to
> > > >do with basketball. As for the comment about the kids....  well you
> > better
> > > >block your kids from MSN, CNN, Boston.com, and any other news sites
> > > >because thats where the article came from. It is an AP released
> article.
> > > >It's not like Ray went on some porn site and posted an article from
> > there.
> > > >Kobe's case is a NEWS story. All any kid has to do is look at a
> newspaper
> > > >and they'll get the same article.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>To: Celtics@xxxxxxxx
> > > >>Subject: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin?  Are you
> SERIOUS??
> > > >>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:21:59 -0400
> > > >>
> > > >>At 04:26 PM 10/11/03 -0400, Dan Forant wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Please explain the difference in Kobe's case compared to the AA
posts
> > we
> > > >>>went through with Baker??? Also guys list all the taboo subjects
you
> > don't
> > > >>>want discussed.
> > > >>
> > > >>In no particular order:
> > > >>
> > > >>Difference #1: Vin Baker plays for the Boston Celtics.  Kobe does
not.
> > > >>This is a Celtics-based list.
> > > >>
> > > >>Difference #2: This list discussed Baker's problem in context of
> how--or
> > > >>if--he could continue to play for Boston, how the team treated his
> > > >>problem, and how he has played since entering rehab.  The discussion
> > > >>regarding the details what may (or may not) have happened between
Kobe
> > > >>and his accuser has, so far as I can tell, nothing whatsoever to do
> with
> > > >>the Celtics, or basketball in general, except as a peripheral
comment
> on
> > > >>the violent behavior of professional basketball players.  Even then,
> > this
> > > >>kind of detail is unwarranted, at least here.  I presume it might be
> at
> > > >>least minimally more germaine to a Lakers-based list.
> > > >>
> > > >>Granted, some of the talk about alcoholism in general may have
> wandered
> > a
> > > >>little far afield, but at least it still held strong relevance to
Vin
> > > >>Baker, and I personally found it informative.
> > > >>
> > > >>As was mentioned, there are probably kids who read this
list--though,
> I
> > > >>would hope, with parental supervision.  While we can't pretend
they're
> > so
> > > >>naive as to think there are no bad people in the world, I think it's
> > > >>reasonable to at least not go chapter and verse into events that
> really
> > > >>don't have a place here.
> > > >>
> > > >>For myself, I've never minded if the topic wanders a little
> > occasionally,
> > > >>but some things are just not appropriate, and I have to say that
post
> > > >>would be one of them.  I'm not timid myself.  As a writer, I've
> written
> > a
> > > >>violent scene or two myself (though only for books specifically
geared
> > > >>away from kids).  We owe the kids our restraint in this venue, and
> even
> > > >>our fellow adults.  Not everyone is strong of stomach.
> > > >>
> > > >>I think Dan seems to view this as a censorship (MY word, NOT his)
> > > >>issue.  I think it's more a matter of exercising good judgement,
which
> > > >>frankly, may not have happened.  Ray did realize he should have
posted
> a
> > > >>warning header, which would have helped, and I give him credit for
> > > >>that.  But I think the wiser course would have been not to repost
the
> > article.
> > > >>
> > > >>The matter with Kobe is unprecedented in several ways, not least of
> > which
> > > >>is the availability of graphic detail that in years past never left
> the
> > > >>courtroom.  Now such things are routinely included in books, movies,
> and
> > > >>TV series.  And so, online as well.  I'm a proponent of the sharing
of
> > > >>information,but the question of the appropriate venue must be
> considered
> > > >>before sharing it.
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm sure there are sites online that gather all the facts--and
> > > >>fiction--about Kobe's trial.  I personally think it might be better
> for
> > > >>those interested to simply go there, or join the appropriate list,
> > > >>leaving it off this one.  Of course, as an old friend used to say
"Of
> > > >>COURSE that's "just my opinion"--do YOU see any stone tablets here?"
> > > >>
> > > >>It's just sad.  Two families lives will be destroyed no matter what
> > > >>happens.  Do we REALLY need to hear all the sordid details?
> > > >
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