Re: Kidd/Walker

["Shawn Niles" <shizzjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

All good points. With regards to Kidd, his wife was hiding in a closet when 
she called 911 because Jason was still trying to get at her. She said on the 
911 tape that it was nothing compared to what she usually dealt with. Sounds 
like more than a mild push to me. I didn't mean for this to turn into such a 
big issue on a Celtics board. I stand by my original point though. I could 
never root for Kidd knowing what he did.


> From: Douglas342@AOL.com
> To: celtics@igtc.com
> Subject: Re: Kidd/Walker
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:37:12 EDT
>
>      I certainly can't argue with your thoughts here, but add in a word or
> two of caution in general on this topic.  I haven't read much about the
> specifics in Kidd's case recently, but did read that he did some classes,
> paid a fine, and the case was dismissed.  That sounds like a pretty common
> deal on a low-level domestic violence case.  There is also the thorny issue
> of what constitutes "domestic violence."  Tying her up and beating her with 
> a
> bat?  No doubt.  Punching her repeatedly?  No doubt.  A strong two-handed
> push to keep her away during a heated argument?  One-handed?  What if he
> pushes her aside so he can get out of the house to avoid further conflict 
> but
> she blocks his way?  What if the victim trips and falls?  Is there 
> bruising?
> Has it happened before?
>      Taking such a case to trial is expensive (which wouldn't matter to 
> Kidd)
> and traumatic.  If the victim is reluctant, it gets more complicated.  
> Trust
> me - I have dealt with this stuff in family court for ten years and in
> criminal court for a few months - it's a morass.  But again, I certainly
> won't argue with your reaction because it is just that - YOUR reaction and
> you're entitled to it.
>     As for Bird, I think he WAS married in college and had a daughter whom 
> he
> ignored until the last few years.  Maybe it was by his wife, maybe not.
> Don't remember.  Poor girl looks a lot like him.  And that isn't in the 
> same
> universe as beating a woman?  Maybe, maybe not.  Again, what if the 
> "beating"
> is a mild push, but the daughter grows up without a father?  Take a guess 
> at
> the percentage of people in prison who grew up without fathers.
>  - Sorry for the occupation-related rant
>  - Doug
>
> In a message dated 5/15/03 2:02:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> shizzjr@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > You make a good point and I completely understand it. But it doesn't 
> change
> > how I feel about Jason. I would never be able to root for him. I know 
> from
> > personal experience what abuse can do in a relationship and personally I
> > could never root for someone like Jason, even if he were here. I 
> understand
> >
> > some Celtics from the past have had issues. I think the most recent was
> > Parish and I was about 15 or 16 when he retired so I don't really 
> remember
> > it too much. I can't say how I would have reacted to him or others that
> > came
> > before him and did the same.
> >
> > I can say how I feel about Kidd though. he is a no class bum who beat a
> > woman. The worst I've heard of Larry is that he had a child out of 
> marraige
> >
> > and then didn't have a whole lot to do with her while she grew up. That 
> is
> > still wrong, but not even in the same universe as beating a woman.
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