Re: win

["John Heydt" <jheydt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Great post Sean - You have described my feelings exactly about this team.
On the one hand I root for this team and on the other hand I am depressed
with the present team makeup and with Wallace and OB.  We need a clean
sweep.  From what I can infer I believe that Wallace will be gone after this
season but we may have to endure enough 3 point shoot fests next year until
we get a real coach.  I'm seriously considering cancelling my NBA season
pass after this season as I don't particularly care for the style of play we
now are stuck with.   This from a 50+ year Celtic fan.  I can readily
understand people on this list being negative.  It's hard not to be.

John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Giovanello" <sgiovanello@norwoodlight.com>
To: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
Cc: <Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: win


> I dont regularly post on here and generally delete any threads that have
> personal sniping/egocentric posts.   However, I have been following this
> one to some extent for a single reason.  I think each of the views on
> this thread typifies many Celtics fans and their schizophrenic or wildly
> ambivalent bilpolar views of the team.  In watching this team this year,
> it was clear that they took way to many 3 pointers, in game and down the
> stretch coaching was sorely lacking, PP and AW were ridden like it was
> the fourth quarter of a playoff game throughout the season, Kedrick
> languished on the bench at the expense of Grant Long, the team acquired
> the corpse of Vin Baker who contributed less than nothing.  Off the
> court, the trade for Baker, the bungling of draft choices, the refusal
> to keep an adequate complement of players all had to irritate fans.  Did
> we need Sundov more than Songalia?  Did dealing Kenny for Vin already
> being the worst trade in NBA history beome even worse when it was
> revealed that he was a hot commodity due to his PG skills and (90% of
> it) his contract.   Could Kenny and a  have fetched us Kwame Brown at
> the deadline?   All of these things really bothered me during the season.
>
> YET....
>
> The Celtics have some very likable players.  Paul Pierce is a terrific
> player and a joy to watch at times.  Antoine is a unique talent in the
> NBA and brings a tremendous amount to the table.  Walter is a bundle of
> energy and seems to wreak havok everytime he is on the court.  Delk has
> always been a favorite of mine since his UK days (when used properly).
>  Bremer shows toughness and poise uncommon in a rookie PG and has a
> bright future.   Battie, while inconsistent, has become more consistent
> and the silly need to trade for Blount was eased by his solid play and
> tough D.   When the playoffs started and the D started to crank up, it
> once again seems as if they have a real chance to do something this
> year.  How can you not root for any Celtics team - never mind a Celtics
> team in the playoffs?  I live and die during the games as I always have
> and for that I will always love the C's...
>
> YET....
>
> Arent they the second coming of the Milwaukee Bucks of the 80s?   A team
> that has some real talent and finishes in the middle or upper middle of
> the pack each year and no one wants to play in the playoffs?  Talent?
>  The bucks had Moncrief, Cummings, and Ricky Pierce (one of my all time
> favorites).
>
> All in all, I understand peoples splits on this.  Its part of a paradox
> of being a Celtics fan right now.  We have all grown up and in some
> cases old in loving the Celts.  Yet, who wants to see Chris Wallace come
> back?   How many people have some misgivings about OB?  Who wishes Vin
> Baker could just disappear from our collective reality?  Who feels the
> breath of fresh air at escaping the Pitino era (or error?) has just been
> erased by the Baker trade?
>
> I think its an easy time to love the team, yet hope for failure so that
> changes can occur  OR hate the team as currently constituted, yet
> secretly be rooting for another win and another round.  After the glory
> years, we got bad yet made so many mistakes we werent reborn like a
> phoenix.  I dont want to get bad again.  I want to see PP and AW finish
> their careers in Boston and the team to slowly get better each year via
> the draft and carefull culling of free agency.  I just dont see how that
> can be done given the mess we are in, the people making the picks, and
> the people deciding who plays and who doesnt.  Its a big mess and my
> personal fear its going to get much worse before it gets truly better.
> Further, its going to be a long time before the next banner comes to
Boston.
>
> So, yes I believe it is entirely possible to love your team and hate
> things about it at the same time.   Hell, some nights I feel like that
> and others I hate my team, yet find myself standing in my living room
> dancing around after a big 3 or blocked shot and so on.  Given the
> times, I think this is far more normal than we generall acknowledge...