Re: Ainge + Twan and the Knicks.

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Maybe Danny's just sending out lots of chaff to see what materializes. He
has given the team a shot of adrenalin with the draft. This is his chance to
wheel and deal and shape a team, and the Celtics no less. I don't think he
will fail.

DanF


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cecil" <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Ainge + Twan and the Knicks.


> With all due respect, what is your real issue with Danny not telling the
> public, via the media, the truth?  His role is not to keep the public
> informed.  It is to find the right players to turn this team into a
> contender, right?  The need to know confidential information is yours.
>
> I fear this will be a recurring theme for Danny's tenure.  I mean, do you
> want him to tell you that Battie has the sniffles?  Or do you expect him
to
> tell you that he is looking at making a trade for Latrell Sprewell?  He
> ain't gonna do it.  Accept it.
> And he told us so when he took the job.  He said he wasn't going to
disclose
> everything because that would not be in the best interest of the club.
>
> We needed a PG.  He went out and got the guy that they felt had the best
> chance of coming aboard and handling the position right away.  He went out
> and got 2 big bodies to help out upfront.  Weren't they the two areas that
> most of us felt needed improvement?
>
> I cannot understand what the problem is.
>
> Cecil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Eggcentric@xxxxxxx>
> To: <GuyClinch@xxxxxxx>; <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Ainge + Twan and the Knicks.
>
>
> > > ''I like him. I think that Kedrick has some definite skills and
talents.
> I
> > > think he's great defensively. I think he has the ability to be a real
> force
> > > as a post-up player and the two positions - especially since we have
> > > great shooters in Pierce and Walker.''  - Ainge
> >
> > << This is a lie? He said the same thing when he was a commentator. <g>
> > K. Brown does have skills.. Good defender, decent feel for the game,
some
> > pretty nice in close to the hoop moves, and he can take people off the
> > dribble. Unfortunately guy has NO outside shot. That's killing him right
> > now, and could drum him out of the league. >> -Pete
> >
> > Do you really think Danny believes that Toine is a great shooter?  As
for
> > Brown, if Danny is so taken with him, how come he is rumored to be in
> > the act of trading him along with Walker in a package for ... ?
> >
> > << He said he wanted a point and post prescence..and thats what he got.
> > He even leaked that he wanted Banks. If anything I would hope that DA
> > would be less honest. >> - Pete
> >
> > I don't recall him ''leaking'' that he wanted Banks (except to Jerry
West)
> > and  thought that he actually denied it.  Had he pulled off the trades
he
> > was seeking, Banks and Perkins would not be with us now.
> >
> > > And how about -
> > > '' Obie and I are on the same page'' (while Ainge keeps dissing and
> > > undermining Obie at every opportunity).
> >
> > << Yeah...thats a real diss resigning the guy. <g> >> - Pete
> >
> > Well that's the big contradiction, Pete.  Have you been following
Ainge's
> > statements since he extended Obie's contract? If I was Obie I would not
> > be very happy about a new boss coming in and publicly pronouncing that
> > he was going to change my entire offense, claiming I relied too much
> > on the three and too much on two players, saying he felt I hadn't
properly
> > developed our young rookies, pointing out my compulsion to win a few
> > extra games each season going with veterans at the expense of the
future,
> > questioning whether I would be patient with the 2003 draftees, and
> > pointing out his displeasure with the conditioning of my players. And
how
> > about Ainge instructing each of the players as to what HE expected of
> > them next season, and taking the time to hands-on teach Kedrick how to
> > play Bball (although that may have been more to do with personally
> > assessing Kedrick prior to a trade).
> >
> > How could any proud coach not consider these as insults? Obie must
> > be wondering if he was merely extended as window dressing to appease
> > his players now that Ainge is, for all practical purposes, our head
> > coach as well as our GM.
> >
> > > No one expected him to give away all his secrets, especially
concerning
> > > the draft, but geez, he didn't have to out-and-out lie when questioned
> on
> > > just about every subject.
> >
> > << That's a huge exaggeration. If DA said something like I am looking to
> > draft a foreign wing..and doesn't.. That doesn't mean he wasn't LOOKING
> > to draft the guy. Hardly an out and out lie.  Lighten up. It's
basketball.
> > It's seems you FEEL he is dishonest..but have little to back it up.
> > If for example Scott Layden calls Ainge..that doesn't mean Ainge was
> > actively trying to trade the Toine.. >>  - Pete
> >
> > I had hoped the few examples I previously gave of Danny's contradictory
> > acts and statements would have sufficed.  His deception has spread far
> > beyond the expected chess game referred to as the draft. It is, after
all,
> > possible to sidestep specific questions without having to tell outright
> > lies.  Do you really think bundle of energy Ainge is sitting passively
by
> > his phone waiting for others to call with suggested trade proposals for
> > Walker, Brown, Williams, etc.?
> >
> > Unpopular as the opinion might be, yes, I do feel that Ainge has been
> > deceitful in his handling of Obie, Walker, Baker, Brown, the media, and
> > therefore, the fans.  He appears to be on the right track concerning our
> > team's needs; it is how he is handling it that bothers me. I only hope
he
> > isn't spitting into wells he has to drink from.
> >
> > Egg