Re: Beating a Dead Horse

[Cecil <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Lance, with all due respect, there is no need for you to remind me of
anything basketball related.  Believe it or not, I am quite aware of
Sterling's record of futility as well as Gaston's wheelings and dealings as
the C's owner.  What you are not denying is your quote that you find
Sterling's methods interesting in that they compete in the draft lottery
each year.  I am willing to bet there are not many on this list who would
prefer that style....but hey....if it works for you.

Now, regarding telling me what I am allowed to discuss....in my most
gentlemanly manner....well....I think I will decide what I post about...not
you.  You have the right to do just what you did....not answer the question
and create another diversion instead.  That's cool.  The question I asked
about the other board came into my mind and so I asked you about it.  Is
there something wrong with that?

Cecil (who's sure Lance will have a problem with Pierce's game last night
too)

----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Jacobson <lancejacob@attbi.com>
To: Cecil <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>; <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Horse


> Gee, Cecil, I try to remind you that Sterling's been a cheap bastard ever
> since he took over the franchise, while Gaston spent every nickel Pitino
> wanted him to plus paid him a ransom and you get all kinds of pissy.  You
> keep telling me that I'm here to piss people off, and I never referenced
> that in any other board, other than to point out that Tammo is a college
> cheerleading fraud when it comes to NBA reviews, and you just don't like
it.
>
> Don't compare Gaston to Sterling.  They have nothing in common, since the
> Celts have been over the cap every year of his ownership, and Sterling's
> never been over the cap.  Do you understand that, Cecil?  He paid for the
> most expensive coach, paid TWO players the max and then got tired of it
all.
> Talk about "what have you done lately".  You've got a memory span of 1-2
> seasons.  Remember Sherman Douglas?  Yeah, he was here in the '90s.
>
> Come on, Cecil.  Think straight.  And stop talking about the other board.
> Don't you have enough going on here to deal with?  Like Dan F. who's
jumping
> off the Tobin Bridge?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Horse
>
>
> > As I have said several times in the past..."I swear you do this just to
> > intentionally piss folks off".
> >
> > My priorities as for the team to win.  I don't care about the cost
> because,
> > as you well know, it ain't my money.  But it is a well documented fact
> that
> > Sterling is a tightwad pennypincher whose teams never win and definitely
> > will not again this year.  So what do I give a hoot about his strategy
or
> > methods?  He can have a roster which costs $.03 for all I care.  What I
> care
> > about is that the Celts get flag #17 sometime soon.
> >
> > But since you mentioned it. I think the fact that you think sucking so
> badly
> > that it gets you lottery picks every year is very revealing about you.
> You
> > think that keeps a team interesting?  I want no part of that.  To me, it
> > shows an ineptitude which I hope we never reach.
> >
> > Gaston?  Business man just like Sterling.  Decided he was gonna sell the
> > team, therefore, did not want to enter luxury tax land.  Smart business
> but
> > poor for the fans.  Best thing he did/is doing for us, is sell the team
to
> > someone who is willing to spend the capital which will give the fans a
> good
> > ROI.
> >
> > Understand priorities?  What is your priority Lance...other than causing
a
> > ruckus and shitting on Pierce and Tammo?  Seriously, what is your point
> with
> > that stuff?  Others tell me that you have mentioned on the other list,
> that
> > you want to create problems on this list.  Is that true?  If so, for
what
> > reason?
> >
> > On another note, I am trying to get tickets for the New Years Eve
> afternoon
> > game vs Memphis and possibly the following game vs Portland on Jan. 3.
If
> > successful, I hope to catch up with Kim, Jim, Adam, Shawn and anyone
else
> > who will be there.
> >
> > Cecil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lance Jacobson <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> > To: Cecil <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 5:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Horse
> >
> >
> > > OK, let's understand priorities.  Gaston hired Pitino and spent more
> money
> > > than anyone ever had to build a team.  He got disgusted and refused to
> pay
> > a
> > > top coach, but agreed to extend Walker and Pierce, who he's paid this
> > year,
> > > as well as Baker.  Sterling's roster costs him less than half as much,
> > $26M
> > > right now, which is a whole different animal.  The Celts are mid-pack
> > > regarding roster cost whereas the Clips are the bottom.
> > >
> > > Point isn't too hard to gather here.  If you insist on paying the very
> > least
> > > for your players, you'll keep sucking and keep getting top lottery
> picks,
> > > which keeps your team interesting.  Doesn't mean you'll make the
> playoffs
> > > eventually, though, but saving $30M in a town where Lakers tickets
cost
> a
> > > bundle means you'll still sell seats.  It's Sterling's business how he
> > runs
> > > the team; I'll assume he's making money.  What do you care if the
Clips
> > suck
> > > or not?  It's not your club, you don't own jerseys or print them, and
it
> > has
> > > nothing to do with the idea that we just locked up 4 years over the
cap
> on
> > a
> > > guy worth no more than Eric Williams.  Does that give you Celtic
Pride,
> > > Cecil, because we have 3 All-Stars that we're paying the max?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> > > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Horse
> > >
> > >
> > > > While Sterling keeps his cost down, his teams generally suck.  Even
> with
> > a
> > > > putrid owner, we made it to the ECFs last year.  When have the Clips
> > done
> > > > that?
> > > >
> > > > Cecil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Lance Jacobson <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> > > > To: Michael Gooen <callmebogie@yahoo.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Horse
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Not sure you're following Jim's response, Mike.  He's saying that
> > > Sterling
> > > > > doesn't need Kenny's expiring contract in order to keep his costs
> > down.
> > > > > He's got young players who now expect to be paid their market
value
> > once
> > > > the
> > > > > rookie contracts expire, and he'll keep one or none of them,
trading
> > > them
> > > > > while they're cheap for draft picks or even younger players plus a
> > > little
> > > > > value.  He loves those picks because he gets talent for cheap
money.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, we do the opposite.  We give away picks or first-year
> > players
> > > > in
> > > > > order to get mediocre, expensive players, and watch our young guys
> > > develop
> > > > > elsewhere.  Did we get value for Billups?  Mercer?  Moiso? JJ?
> Forte?
> > > How
> > > > > about the 22nd pick we gave up this year?  For that money, we took
> on
> > > > > Bremer, who didn't make the second round, much less mid-first
round.
> > > > Stupid
> > > > > management.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Michael Gooen" <callmebogie@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:58 PM
> > > > > Subject: Beating a Dead Horse
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since it's always more fun to focus on trades that might have
been
> > > than
> > > > on
> > > > > > an all-time-record loss.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim Hill wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <<The Clippers are under the cap and don't need the expiring
> > contract.
> > > > > > Therefore Sterling has no need to trade for Anderson and throw
> that
> > > > > > money down the toilet while giving up two potential future all
> stars
> > > for
> > > > > > nothing.>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wasn't suggesting that the Cs could have gotten both players,
only
> > > one.
> > > > > > And I don't see what the Clippers' cap situation has to do with
> > > > anything.
> > > > > > If you're Donald Sterling, wouldn't you rather pay Kenny
Anderson
> > (or
> > > > > > anyone else) $9 million for one year and get draft picks to whom
> you
> > > can
> > > > > > pay $1-2 million for four or five years than pay someone like
> > > Olowokandi
> > > > > > or Brand $90 million over 6 years?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe I'm wrong about Sterling's motivations.  Let's see whether
> > > > > > Olowokandi and Miller get their money.
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