Re: kestas reply

[Jim Metz <james.metz@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday, June 3, 2002, at 10:16 PM, Kestutis Kveraga wrote: (See full 
text below)


They surely can afford to move Kenny, and I would hope they do.  His 
value
will never be
any higher than it is now, and I don't believe his role on this team has 
been
an overly positive
one.  He played good D, made a few nice passes, brought the ball up under
pressure, and hit
a few shots.  Cook / Delk should be able to do just as much; adn with 
all the
money we would
free up, we could sign Strick, Walter, and maybe somebody who "slips 
through
the cracks" like
Strickland did.
Mark Berry
  ******************
"We would have to take about the same amount of salary back, unless 
Kenny was
traded to a team under the salary cap."
Kestas
***************
Unless we traded him for a pick, no?
Mark
		**********
	Or, both.
	 I first proposed the possibility of trading Anderson, at 
"CelticsStuff." (shameless plug) I think someone pulled the concept from 
there.	
	My  scenario for trading him, was to the Clippers, who are under 
the cap, but would also entail us receiving a salary commensurate with 
Anderson's.
	The proposal was for Olowakandi, who wants the maximum, or close to 
it. My idea and phantasy it may be, was that the Clippers don't want to 
get stuck with any long term max contracts, let alone the two or three 
that are coming up next season. They have two free agents now: Point 
guard, McGinnis (making 650,000, but would want a couple million, at 
least) and Olo.
	Since the Clippers are under the cap, the salaries wouldn't have to 
match, we would have more flexibility,in signing the players, but 
eventually, would have to pay the two players pretty close to what 
Vitaly and Kenny would be making here.	 Sterling might like a long 
term, mid-sized contract, like Vitaly, Philly's first round pick next 
year and Kenny's expiring salary. The Clippers could draft a point guard 
this season, let him learn under Kenny and then use Anderson's salary 
allocation, for Elton Brand, next sumer. They don't let Olowakandi walk 
for nothing, but they don't wind up with too many max  players, for 
Sterling's wallet.
	While we might miss Anderson (Mark, I think you way underestimate 
his contribution, if you agree with me that the team played better, when 
he was allowed to create and often, early in games he would get baskets 
for all five starters, instead of Antoine demanding the pass at half 
court, but that's an argument for another day), getting a potentially 
dominant center  and a scrappy young point guard, without spending a 
penny more on salary, would be huge.
	As I said, this is phantasy stuff, but the concept of trading 
Anderson, who's expiring salary makes him more valuable, to cheap teams 
like the Clippers, or another team that wants to make an offer for 
Duncan, or Kidd, or O'Neil, etc., next summer, might be appealing to 
some team and we would get to use his money slot, for an impact player, 
a season early.
	JB

	
			Unchain My Heart!



From: Kestutis.Kveraga@dartmouth.edu (Kestutis Kveraga)
Date: Mon Jun 03, 2002  09:57:22 PM US/Eastern
To: celtics@igtc.com
Subject: Re: Mark Berry's points
Reply-To: Kestutis.Kveraga@dartmouth.edu (kestas)

--- You wrote:
I think the team knows that, and will pay to keep him here.  I still 
don't
understand why
we can't offer him a three or four year, heavily back-loaded contract, 
that
just pays 1 mil
or so the first year.
--- end of quote ---

They surely can afford to move Kenny, and I would hope they do.  His 
value
will never be
any higher than it is now, and I don't believe his role on this team has 
been
an overly positive
one.  He played good D, made a few nice passes, brought the ball up under
pressure, and hit
a few shots.  Cook / Delk should be able to do just as much; adn with 
all the
money we would
free up, we could sign Strick, Walter, and maybe somebody who "slips 
through
the cracks" like
Strickland did.
Mark
**********************
We would have to take about the same amount of salary back, unless Kenny 
was
traded to a team under the salary cap.
Kestas
******************
Unless we traded him for a pick, no?
Mark
*************
Insofar as I know, it doesn't make any difference :  if the team you're 
trading
with is over the cap (and most are) they can't take back more than 
115% + $100K
of the salary they're trading, unless the player they are receiving is a
minimum salary player. Since a draft pick counts for $0 against the cap 
until
he's signed, you could trade a non-minimum salary player for a pick only 
to a
team under the cap (or get one involved in a multi-way trade).
Kestas