Re: Baker

["Orion" <jlyell@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with you on last year, we had no alternative scoring threats, and
our ball movement was very poor, but as other teams maneuver to improve,
which is generally the off-season goal, we sign Bremer (o.k. he could be a
sleeper , but why did everyone pass on him?), Sundov (Travis Knight part II,
why do we need a lean 7 footer  that shoots 3's?, when Jersey killed us down
low and we gave up 10 boards a game to a guard!), and talk about signing
Damon Jones? While I am not a big fan, I'd rather have Rodney Rogers than
any of these guys.

Brian Grant now could give us the nasty presence, but him game has seemed to
drop off since leaving Portland.

We did not really address the point position, the low post , or even getting
veteran perimeter scoring help for Pierce and Walker. I beleive it would be
hard  for anyone to prove how this team has gotten better over the
offseason, except for possibly the growth of Joseph Forte and Kedrick which
is still in question.

This is a bit perplexing when 10/12's of the team pretty much disappeard
against New Jersey. Kenny Anderson's huge short term contract is valuable to
teams wanting to free up cap space next year to go after say Tim Duncan, or
maybe a deal for Kevin Garnett who can't get Minneapolis out of the first
round, but whose contract likely makes him virtually untradeable..


Forte looked good at Shaw, then we see rumors of trading him. Many believe
now is the time to  get rid of Anderson contract, but Baker is not a sure
thing has what, another 5-6 years left?

As rumor has it, it seems if anyone has an underperforming big man with a
huge long-term contract (Croshere, Baker)  they come looking our way. What's
next Big Country?



John




----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Cc: <fanmail@bostonceltics.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Baker


> The only problem with this cancel-my-subscription stuff, is the
> unpredictability of the season and injuries and offcourt incidents, etc.
>
> How many folks thought we had a chance of making it to the conference
> championship this time last year?  Raise your hand.  IMHO, Obie deserves a
> chance to work with the players they decide on before any of us throw in
the
> towel.
>
> One thing I agree with my dear friend Daniel Forant on, is the need to
find
> more rest for Pierce and Antoine this season.  I think the heavy minutes
led
> to exhaustion with Pierce especially.  And the way he was getting whacked
> around in the playoffs will lead to injury sooner or later.  Hopefully
> Kedrick will log 12-15 mpg.
>
> Cecil (welcome back Joe and Alex)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Orion <jlyell@netzero.net>
> To: Alexander Wang <awang@MIT.EDU>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> Cc: <fanmail@bostonceltics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:39 PM
> Subject: RE: Baker
>
>
> > Believe me stranger deals have happened. Would you have traded Jason
> > Williams for Mike Bibby?
> >
> >
> > Have any of Donald Sterling previous decisions ever made sense other
then
> > the Brand deal? Almost all the talent he has drafted in the past 10
years
> > has moved on with little to show. The same will happen in the next 2
years
> > with odom and Darius Miles. Sterling will not pay multiple players the
max
> > in multi-year deals.  I think they have made the playoffs one year that
I
> > recall. Elton Brand is their franchise player, and they drafted 2
players
> > that play the same position. Why? Trade value.
> >
> >
> > He already balked at making moves to get Andre Miller and Baron Davis
due
> to
> > their long-term nature, both of which would have made them much better.
> >
> > Both Wilcox and Jaric are prospects as you mentioned. They could turn
into
> a
> > Ben Wallace and Predrag Stojakovic, or just as easily a Chris Washburn,
> Sam
> > Bowie, Jerome Moiso, Harold Minor, Bo Kimball, etc. Thats where talent
> > evaluation comes into play.
> >
> > Its a crap shoot plain and simple. Anderson gives him an out after this
> > year, or the ability to negotiate a reasonably priced deal next year.
Last
> I
> > had heard Kenny still lived in L.A. Battie or V give them a reasonably
> > priced replacement at the 5 spot if they can not sign Olowkandi.
> >
> > If you don't make an offer, it isn't going to happen. I don't know about
> > you, but signing the likes of Bremer, Sundov, Oliver the big "Oh my God"
> > Miller, don't get me real excited. Unless they add something my Direct
> > Ticket is cancelled. I don't want to see the product they have to offer,
> and
> > everyone should make them aware of this if they feel the same or little
> > change will occur.
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-celtics@igtc.com [mailto:owner-celtics@igtc.com]On Behalf Of
> > Alexander Wang
> > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:29 PM
> > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > Cc: fanmail@bostonceltics.com
> > Subject: RE: Baker
> >
> >
> > At 05:49 PM 7/21/2002, Orion wrote:
> > >Another option s still with the Clippers. Could we get Chris Wilcox and
> > >Marko Jaric in a deal for Anderson?
> >
> > The answer to this question, before you ask it another ten times, is
> > NO. Just for a moment, try to think from the perspective of someone on
> > the Clippers side of this. Would you trade two young prospects, one of
> > whom you've just drafted, for an expensive over-the-hill point guard
> > with one year left on his contract? What does that get them? One year
> > of Kenny Anderson; if they wanted more years, they can just wait until
> > the offseason when he's a free agent.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but all of these trades based on the idea that the Clippers
> will
> > be monumental idiots (which is arguable) and furthermore idiots that
> > want to take on expensive, mediocre players while giving up cheap
> > young talent (which is completely implausible), are a waste of time.
> >
> > Alex
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