Re: Toine's lack of finesse

["John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>]

Yes, if only we had a few players that played with the heart of Bird , DJ,
Ainge,  Mchale. Not too many left in the NBA.

I didn't hear what actually went on with Griffin, but that he Zach Randolph
and a few others are almost surely gone.

Maybe we could land a guy like Jamal Tinsley with the Denver pick. If we
could only move Kenny. I think he could really help a contender if he stayed
healthy, but I can' think of many that need a point other than the Lakers
who don't have much they would offer. I heard Rambis today talking about
Shaq being out of shape and the struggle to carry that load nightly with the
physical beating he takes.





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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: "John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse


> I would agree that just because someone was a great player there is no
> guarantee they will make a great coach.  I guess my opinion on Bird
changed
> when I read his book and gained a little bit more insight into his
> philosophy and principles.  He was really a disciplined guy and played
> though a back injury which was far more painful than what we were led to
> believe.  But even that was for a reason since he didn't want the
opposition
> to know how bad he was hurting.
>
> I really do not think that Bird is a bad judge of character or talent.
> Ainge...well... I don't know why we should put more stock into what he
says
> than Larry.
>
> Did anyone ever get the real story behind the incident which led to
> Griffin's suspension earlier this year after a fight with his teammate who
> supposedly would pass him the ball enough during a game?  Has anyone heard
> anything definitive on that?
>
> Cecil
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>
> To: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
>
>
> >
> > I am still not sold that being a great player results in a good coach or
> > talent evaluator. I never thought Russell was a good coach. Jabbar has
not
> > even been given a look.  Phil Jackson and Riley were mediocre role
players
> > but have been successful coaches. The GM's behind them and having some
> good
> > talent have helped.
> >
> > I was not overly impressed with Larry's effort in Indiana. He inherited
a
> > good core of veterans in guys like Miller and Jackson.
> >
> >
> >
> > Based on AW's career so far I tend to lean toward Danny. I just don't
see
> > the discipline we need. I do think he has talent but does not fit at the
3
> > or 4 spots which causes problems. If he wasin better shape and bulked up
> he
> > could be a monster 4, but doesn't have much jumping ability. He has
passed
> > well in the last few weeks but too many 3-19 nights and still firing to
> help
> > a team.  I would move him for Elton Brand ( an old school 4) or  Rahim
or
> > Bibby.
> >
> > Walker, Herren and the Denver Pick for Rahim & Bibby ? They need to
> rebuild
> > and I don't think the Denver pick will help us much.
> >
> >
> >
> > I like what I have seen from Eddie Griffin, but unless we have some real
> > luck I doubt we will land him.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> > To: <Celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
> >
> >
> > > Based off their careers as players and coaches, I'll take Larry's word
> > > first.  Wouldn't you?
> > >
> > > Cecil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>;
> > <jeff_chin@notes.teradyne.com>;
> > > <Celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 6:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
> > >
> > >
> > > > Danny Ainge has a different opinion. He said Pitino chose to build
> > around
> > > > the wrong guy. Walker is not a franchise player.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> > > > To: <jeff_chin@notes.teradyne.com>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:35 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > "Walker is a terrific talent, a superstar in the making.  I love
the
> > way
> > > > he
> > > > > plays.  He passes the ball so well for a big man, and he can
rebound
> > the
> > > > > ball.  He takes a lot of bad shots, but he's still very young, and
a
> > > good
> > > > > coach will get that straightened out" - Larry Bird
> > > > >
> > > > > If only Larry knew as much as you and Ryan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cecil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <jeff_chin@notes.teradyne.com>
> > > > > To: <Celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ryan, I couldn't agree more with your comparison of Toine's game
> to
> > > that
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a 10 year old's.  The hooking and straight-arming tactics are
> cheap
> > > and
> > > > > > should be called an offensive foul just like when players go up
> for
> > a
> > > > lay
> > > > > > up and use their free hand to push the defender's swatting hand
> > away.
> > > I
> > > > > > don't believe antoine gets triple-teamed down low.  He just
likes
> to
> > > > > barrel
> > > > > > into the whole team when going to the whole.  I also don't buy
the
> > > > > argument
> > > > > > that Toine is "gutsy" when he repeatedly tries to take it in
when
> > he's
> > > > > been
> > > > > > swatted 3 times previously in the same game.  The terms for that
> are
> > > > (take
> > > > > > your pick):  forcing it, being a ball hog, and being selfish.
I
> > > admit
> > > > > > that toine is a versatile player because he can rebound,
dribble,
> > > pass,
> > > > > > somewhat shoot 3's, and somewhat post up, but when someone
> nullifies
> > > > part
> > > > > > of his game, he should defer to his other skills instead of
trying
> > to
> > > > > > always prove that he's da man and proceed to get humiliated by a
> > > > > > rejection(s) and then trying to save face by bitching at the
refs.
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