Re: Toine's lack of finesse

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>]

I would agree that just because someone was a great player there is no
guarantee they will make a great coach.  I guess my opinion on Bird changed
when I read his book and gained a little bit more insight into his
philosophy and principles.  He was really a disciplined guy and played
though a back injury which was far more painful than what we were led to
believe.  But even that was for a reason since he didn't want the opposition
to know how bad he was hurting.

I really do not think that Bird is a bad judge of character or talent.
Ainge...well... I don't know why we should put more stock into what he says
than Larry.

Did anyone ever get the real story behind the incident which led to
Griffin's suspension earlier this year after a fight with his teammate who
supposedly would pass him the ball enough during a game?  Has anyone heard
anything definitive on that?

Cecil




----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>
To: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse


>
> I am still not sold that being a great player results in a good coach or
> talent evaluator. I never thought Russell was a good coach. Jabbar has not
> even been given a look.  Phil Jackson and Riley were mediocre role players
> but have been successful coaches. The GM's behind them and having some
good
> talent have helped.
>
> I was not overly impressed with Larry's effort in Indiana. He inherited a
> good core of veterans in guys like Miller and Jackson.
>
>
>
> Based on AW's career so far I tend to lean toward Danny. I just don't see
> the discipline we need. I do think he has talent but does not fit at the 3
> or 4 spots which causes problems. If he wasin better shape and bulked up
he
> could be a monster 4, but doesn't have much jumping ability. He has passed
> well in the last few weeks but too many 3-19 nights and still firing to
help
> a team.  I would move him for Elton Brand ( an old school 4) or  Rahim or
> Bibby.
>
> Walker, Herren and the Denver Pick for Rahim & Bibby ? They need to
rebuild
> and I don't think the Denver pick will help us much.
>
>
>
> I like what I have seen from Eddie Griffin, but unless we have some real
> luck I doubt we will land him.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> To: <Celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
>
>
> > Based off their careers as players and coaches, I'll take Larry's word
> > first.  Wouldn't you?
> >
> > Cecil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>
> > To: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>;
> <jeff_chin@notes.teradyne.com>;
> > <Celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 6:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
> >
> >
> > > Danny Ainge has a different opinion. He said Pitino chose to build
> around
> > > the wrong guy. Walker is not a franchise player.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> > > To: <jeff_chin@notes.teradyne.com>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
> > >
> > >
> > > > "Walker is a terrific talent, a superstar in the making.  I love the
> way
> > > he
> > > > plays.  He passes the ball so well for a big man, and he can rebound
> the
> > > > ball.  He takes a lot of bad shots, but he's still very young, and a
> > good
> > > > coach will get that straightened out" - Larry Bird
> > > >
> > > > If only Larry knew as much as you and Ryan.
> > > >
> > > > Cecil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <jeff_chin@notes.teradyne.com>
> > > > To: <Celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:08 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Toine's lack of finesse
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ryan, I couldn't agree more with your comparison of Toine's game
to
> > that
> > > > of
> > > > > a 10 year old's.  The hooking and straight-arming tactics are
cheap
> > and
> > > > > should be called an offensive foul just like when players go up
for
> a
> > > lay
> > > > > up and use their free hand to push the defender's swatting hand
> away.
> > I
> > > > > don't believe antoine gets triple-teamed down low.  He just likes
to
> > > > barrel
> > > > > into the whole team when going to the whole.  I also don't buy the
> > > > argument
> > > > > that Toine is "gutsy" when he repeatedly tries to take it in when
> he's
> > > > been
> > > > > swatted 3 times previously in the same game.  The terms for that
are
> > > (take
> > > > > your pick):  forcing it, being a ball hog, and being selfish.   I
> > admit
> > > > > that toine is a versatile player because he can rebound, dribble,
> > pass,
> > > > > somewhat shoot 3's, and somewhat post up, but when someone
nullifies
> > > part
> > > > > of his game, he should defer to his other skills instead of trying
> to
> > > > > always prove that he's da man and proceed to get humiliated by a
> > > > > rejection(s) and then trying to save face by bitching at the refs.
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