Re: Antoine vs. Kings

[David A Wickerham <aw623@freenet.buffalo.edu>]

Not so "pure and simple".  Anyone who watched this one could equate it to
one of our losses to the Bulls or to the listless performance against the
Heat 10 days ago.  There are experts who think that Sacremento may be the
best team in the league, and we played them to a standoff before a
hostile, sellout crowd.  We didn't lose this game, the Kings won it.
Stoyacovic made two great jump shots down the stretch to seal it and also
played great defense on Pierce all night.

The Cs played with fire and pushed the ball hard all night (at least until
the last 4 minutes of the game.  The effort was so entertaining, that this
jaded Celtic fan stayed up watching until 1 AM.  Tip your hat to the Kings
if you must, but don't denigrate the effort that the Celtics put out
tonight.

It will be ionteresting to see if they have anything left ion the tank for
the Clippers tonight

****dave

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Simon Kean wrote:

> This is a pointless debate from both sides as far as I'm concerned. We lost
> another game, pure & simple. I don't care if Toine has 50 points and 30
> rebounds, we lost the game. Ask Bill Russell or Larry Bird, that's the first
> thing they would mention.
> 
> Just my 2 pence,
> 
> Simon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> To: "Celtics-Talk List" <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Antoine vs. Kings
> 
> > Why would those comments be silly Jim?  There are far too many people who
> > make fun of Toine for everything from his conditioning, to his choice of
> > friends, to his loyalty, to his shot selection, to his ballhogging, etc.
> I
> > am probably in the minority but I do not question his effort like you
> > obviously do when you say he should bring it each and every game.  Which
> > player shouldn't?
> >
> > I question his effort no more than I question Pierce's or anybody else on
> > the team.  Players of this caliber want to win, unlike some of the fans on
> > this list who seek long term solutions through a better draft selection,
> > even though there is a risk that the draftee may not even remain with this
> > franchise, if they are that good, after 3 years or so ala McGrady.
> >
> > My opinion, which I have stated many times, is that the effort has been
> > there all along, including most games with Pitino at the helm this year.
> > Effort is not the problem.  Shot selection, however, is a different story.
> > Last night, for example, near the end of the game, with Toine obviously on
> > fire, Pierce comes down and jacks up a couple misses.  The Kings come down
> > and score on both possessions and take control of the final few minutes.
> If
> > the situation was reversed, there are members here who would have
> crucified
> > Walker for not feeding the ball to Pierce when he was hot as hell.  But I
> > see no such comments from them today in that regard.
> >
> > Some will seek to use this game as trade bait for Toine, forgetting, for
> the
> > moment, that the goods received in return are not likely to have the kind
> of
> > night Toine demonstrated against a player of CWebb's stature.  Now I grant
> > you that I am not a major fan of him jacking up 14 treys but didn't I read
> > that O'Brien had Toine taking shots closer to the hoop?  RIGHT!!
> >
> > Joe is right.  It is not the coach who makes the difference in most cases.
> > They are making so much money that they have difficulty accepting
> direction
> > from anyone apparently.  But it is not because they do not put forth a
> solid
> > effort, especially Walker.
> >
> > Cecil
> >
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