Re: Antoine vs. Kings

["Simon Kean" <simon@jkean.freeserve.co.uk>]

This is a pointless debate from both sides as far as I'm concerned. We lost
another game, pure & simple. I don't care if Toine has 50 points and 30
rebounds, we lost the game. Ask Bill Russell or Larry Bird, that's the first
thing they would mention.

Just my 2 pence,

Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: "Celtics-Talk List" <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Antoine vs. Kings

> Why would those comments be silly Jim?  There are far too many people who
> make fun of Toine for everything from his conditioning, to his choice of
> friends, to his loyalty, to his shot selection, to his ballhogging, etc.
I
> am probably in the minority but I do not question his effort like you
> obviously do when you say he should bring it each and every game.  Which
> player shouldn't?
>
> I question his effort no more than I question Pierce's or anybody else on
> the team.  Players of this caliber want to win, unlike some of the fans on
> this list who seek long term solutions through a better draft selection,
> even though there is a risk that the draftee may not even remain with this
> franchise, if they are that good, after 3 years or so ala McGrady.
>
> My opinion, which I have stated many times, is that the effort has been
> there all along, including most games with Pitino at the helm this year.
> Effort is not the problem.  Shot selection, however, is a different story.
> Last night, for example, near the end of the game, with Toine obviously on
> fire, Pierce comes down and jacks up a couple misses.  The Kings come down
> and score on both possessions and take control of the final few minutes.
If
> the situation was reversed, there are members here who would have
crucified
> Walker for not feeding the ball to Pierce when he was hot as hell.  But I
> see no such comments from them today in that regard.
>
> Some will seek to use this game as trade bait for Toine, forgetting, for
the
> moment, that the goods received in return are not likely to have the kind
of
> night Toine demonstrated against a player of CWebb's stature.  Now I grant
> you that I am not a major fan of him jacking up 14 treys but didn't I read
> that O'Brien had Toine taking shots closer to the hoop?  RIGHT!!
>
> Joe is right.  It is not the coach who makes the difference in most cases.
> They are making so much money that they have difficulty accepting
direction
> from anyone apparently.  But it is not because they do not put forth a
solid
> effort, especially Walker.
>
> Cecil
>
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