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Re: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos
I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade Walker or Pierce. This team is just 3
starters away from credibility, a point guard, power forward and center. It
wouldn't take much to be better than Anderson, Battie and Pots. What's our
draft situation should we (laugh) be in the lottery again??? I lost track.
Dan
At 04:19 PM 12/14/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Yo Mark. Nobody has asked me if I would trade Walker or Pierce. However,
>if Philly were to offer Ratliff and Mckie for Pierce, I would do that in a
>country minute. If Denver were willing to swap McDyess for Toine, no
>problem.
>
>But I don't think we should get rid of these guys and get whatever you can
>for them. Any deal involving those players should net a proven player in
>return.
>
>Cecil
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
>To: <Celtic_Pride@egroups.com>
>Cc: "Boston Celtics" <celtics@igloo.igtc.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:11 PM
>Subject: RE: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos
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>> Cecil, I understand what you're saying, but there are problems with your
>> argument.
>>
>> Philly did add those players through trades, but they traded away some
>> valuable pieces. They traded Stackhouse for Ratliff and McKie. They traded
>> the right to draft Van Horn for Tim Thomas and others, and traded Thomas
>for
>> Ty Hill. They traded another young talent, Larry Hughes, for Toni Kukoc.
>> They had enough cap space to sign Geiger. Can the Celtics make similar
>> moves? Only if they trade Pierce or Walker. Don't you think Pierce and
>> Stackhouse are comparable assets? Plus, the Sixers have Iverson; the
>Celtics
>> don't. He's twice the player either of our "stars" are. So, sure, the team
>> can make trades, but the only really valuable tradeable assets are Walker
>> and Pierce. And you say you don't want to trade those guys.
>>
>> I happen to believe you're valuing Walker and Pierce too highly (and so
>are
>> the Celtics), but let's assume you're right about them. It doesn't change
>> the fact that to make any kind of significant personnel change, at least
>one
>> of them is going to have to go. They're the only real bargaining chips the
>> team has.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm driving the "blow it up" bus. Start over. I can't stand this
>> kind of basketball. It's everything that's wrong with the NBA.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil Wright [mailto:cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 7:03 PM
>> To: Celt's
>> Cc: Boston Celtics
>> Subject: Re: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos
>>
>>
>> OK. Over the past day or so, I have tried to point out how Philly has
>been
>> able to move to this level, but, with no offense intended toward Simon, I
>> don't know if he has received the messages.
>>
>> Disgruntled C's fans have called for a complete overhaul of the team in
>its
>> present state and called for draft picks. I mentioned that Philly has
>> acquired the following players via free agency or trades:
>>
>> Kukoc, Ratliff, Geiger, Lynch, Hill, Snow, Maxwell, McKie were all gotten
>> that way, to the credit of the GM and coach. They have assembled a fine
>> team to revolve around Iverson, but it was NOT done via the draft, other
>> than him.
>>
>> So Philly was fortunate enough to be able to get decent players through
>> transactions, not through the draft. For those of us waiting to take our
>> team to the next level as a result of the draft will take several more
>> years, right? For example, Stith has already shown the benefits of that
>> deal IMHO. If Herren had not gotten injured, it would have (still does to
>> me) solidify that the deal was a steal for us. We are young enough as it
>> is. We need a couple of veterans who are capable of making key
>> contributions, unlike Walter. Preferably, one of them will be a big man.
>>
>> Cecil
>>
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Simon Kean" <simon@jkean.freeserve.co.uk>
>> To: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos
>>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
>> > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:35 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos
>> >
>> > > Yes Paul and how was that progress made? Was it by firing Brown? Or
>> > > sticking it out and adding pieces to the puzzle? His record with the
>> > Sixers
>> > > is not particularly outstanding and it has taken several years to get
>> that
>> > > team to the level they are currently playing at. Other than Iverson,
>> > check
>> > > and see what their former #1 picks are doing.
>> > >
>> > > Cecil
>> >
>> > Well Brown started coaching the 6ers the same year Pitino took over the
>> C's.
>> > Brown took 3 seasons to make the playoffs. We're in year 4 and can't
>beat
>> > the Chicago's and Vancouver's of the league. Big difference.
>> >
>> > Simon
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