Re: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>]

Yo Mark.  Nobody has asked me if I would trade Walker or Pierce.  However,
if Philly were to offer Ratliff and Mckie for Pierce, I would do that in a
country minute.  If Denver were willing to swap McDyess for Toine, no
problem.

But I don't think we should get rid of these guys and get whatever you can
for them.  Any deal involving those players should net a proven player in
return.

Cecil




----- Original Message -----
From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
To: <Celtic_Pride@egroups.com>
Cc: "Boston Celtics" <celtics@igloo.igtc.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos


> Cecil, I understand what you're saying, but there are problems with your
> argument.
>
> Philly did add those players through trades, but they traded away some
> valuable pieces. They traded Stackhouse for Ratliff and McKie. They traded
> the right to draft Van Horn for Tim Thomas and others, and traded Thomas
for
> Ty Hill. They traded another young talent, Larry Hughes, for Toni Kukoc.
> They had enough cap space to sign Geiger. Can the Celtics make similar
> moves? Only if they trade Pierce or Walker. Don't you think Pierce and
> Stackhouse are comparable assets? Plus, the Sixers have Iverson; the
Celtics
> don't. He's twice the player either of our "stars" are. So, sure, the team
> can make trades, but the only really valuable tradeable assets are Walker
> and Pierce. And you say you don't want to trade those guys.
>
> I happen to believe you're valuing Walker and Pierce too highly (and so
are
> the Celtics), but let's assume you're right about them. It doesn't change
> the fact that to make any kind of significant personnel change, at least
one
> of them is going to have to go. They're the only real bargaining chips the
> team has.
>
> Anyway, I'm driving the "blow it up" bus. Start over. I can't stand this
> kind of basketball. It's everything that's wrong with the NBA.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil Wright [mailto:cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 7:03 PM
> To: Celt's
> Cc: Boston Celtics
> Subject: Re: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos
>
>
> OK.  Over the past day or so, I have tried to point out how Philly has
been
> able to move to this level, but, with no offense intended toward Simon, I
> don't know if he has received the messages.
>
> Disgruntled C's fans have called for a complete overhaul of the team in
its
> present state and called for draft picks.  I mentioned that Philly has
> acquired the following players via free agency or trades:
>
> Kukoc, Ratliff, Geiger, Lynch, Hill, Snow, Maxwell, McKie were all gotten
> that way, to the credit of the GM and coach.  They have assembled a fine
> team to revolve around Iverson, but it was NOT done via the draft, other
> than him.
>
> So Philly was fortunate enough to be able to get decent players through
> transactions, not through the draft.  For those of us waiting to take our
> team to the next level as a result of the draft will take several more
> years, right?  For example, Stith has already shown the benefits of that
> deal IMHO.  If Herren had not gotten injured, it would have (still does to
> me) solidify that the deal was a steal for us.   We are young enough as it
> is.  We need a couple of veterans who are capable of making key
> contributions, unlike Walter.  Preferably, one of them will be a big man.
>
> Cecil
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Kean" <simon@jkean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Celtic_Pride] The Truth about Cats and Pitinos
> >
> > > Yes Paul and how was that progress made?  Was it by firing Brown?  Or
> > > sticking it out and adding pieces to the puzzle?  His record with the
> > Sixers
> > > is not particularly outstanding and it has taken several years to get
> that
> > > team to the level they are currently playing at.  Other than Iverson,
> > check
> > > and see what their former #1 picks are doing.
> > >
> > > Cecil
> >
> > Well Brown started coaching the 6ers the same year Pitino took over the
> C's.
> > Brown took 3 seasons to make the playoffs. We're in year 4 and can't
beat
> > the Chicago's and Vancouver's of the league. Big difference.
> >
> > Simon
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