Re: Hitler???

[Shawn Roth <ufpdev!shawnr@uunet.uu.net>]

OK, Cecil... The players sign a contract that forces them to abide by the Rules
of the CBA.  If the Celtics themselves choose to test their other employees
(i.e. ushers, ballboys, office help), that would be up to them.  Secondly, I
feel that the people like Sir Charles should be punished for their actions.
The league is timid to do this, but they should.  I think that the NBA trying
to "ban" someone from playing from comitting a mear act of violence has been
overturned (remember Spree).  That is unfortunate, but it did happen.  This
snowball effect you speak of wouldn't happen. The league wouldn't let it.  

They would begin protecting their star players if the situation got to bad.
Look at football for proof.  Oh and to answer your first statement.  The
players don't own the league, although it is getting close to that.  So the
players do not have the same rights.  Do you get to make executive choices at
your place of employment?

I hope I answered your questions....If not e-mail back and I'll tell you what I
was really saying. :-)

Shawn

Originally from Cecil Wright:
> 
> Too bad the players wouldn't have the same right as the NBA.  Do you 
> limit this to just the players, or do all employees of the clubs fall 
> under the same purview?  Or is it only players who should be tested for 
> these illegal drugs that hurt everyone's performance (save for the Chief, 
> of course)?  What about players who have been accused of domestic abuse?  
> Or players who have assaulted people (the Chuckster)?  They could be 
> found guilty of offences and banned as well for committing a criminal act 
> couldn't they?  It could snowball into a major dilemma.
> 
> If you respond to this, please don't tell us what you are saying again, 
> but try to answer the questions I've asked, with all due respect.
> 
> Cecil
> 
> On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Shawn Roth wrote:
> 
> > What I am saying is this:
> > 
> >   The NBA, being free to do whatever the hell they please (within the
> >   Constitution of course) can ban whatever substance they see fit to ban.
> >   Testing for drugs has ben held to be constitution by the US Supreme court.
> >   So if the NBA chooses to test for it, so be it.  
> > 
> >   Secondly, the reason I said I do not care if the smoke dope as long as they
> >   keep it quiet (in other words, don't get caught) is that I know it is going
> >   to happen anyway.  I do care if they do drugs, I wish they wouldn't, and I
> >   feel they are hurting their performances by doing drugs. What do you mean I
> >   can't make demands that put people's jobs in jeopardy? People's jobs are in
> >   jeopardy everyday if they do drugs.  I don't think it is to much of a demand
> >   to ask people to not do illegal activity.  You are putting yourself and the
> >   image of your company in jeopardy.......  I am not trying to turn this debate
> >   into something else, oh wait a minute yes I am, a logic debate.....
> > 
> > Originally from Cecil Wright:
> > > 
> > > That would be me who made the reference and it was made in response to 
> > > your "perfect world" phrase.  I do not need any description of Hitler.  
> > > As for the NBA being so private, then why is it you would be so pissed 
> > > off at one of your team's players smoking grass?  It's a private 
> > > business.  Nobody forces you to give them money except yourself.  
> > > 
> > > You seem interested in turning this debate into something else.  You've 
> > > flip-flopped from caring very much about players smoking up to not caring 
> > > if they smoke as long as they keep it quiet.  I still don't know what 
> > > side of the fence you are really on, except that you are anti-drugs as an 
> > > individual.  I admire you for that.  But in a free country, there is no 
> > > place for making demands which may put people's job in jeopardy, without 
> > > just cause.
> > > 
> > > Cecil
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Shawn Roth wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In response to the refernce to Hilter being similar in mindset to the NBA...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  Let's get this straight:  Hitler was a psychotic individual bent on the
> > > >  destruction of an entire race of humans and on his supreme ascension in the
> > > >  world geopolitical scene.  He would stop at no level of human atrocity to get
> > > >  there.
> > > >  
> > > >  The NBA is a private, free-market organization designed to make a profit in the
> > > >  sports entertainment industry.
> > > >  
> > > >  Next time you try to draw a comparison, please try to stay within the realm of
> > > >  reason.  Your analogy is entirely without base and substance.
> > > >  
> > > >  Check back in to reality.
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Shawn
> > > > 
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