Re: Hitler???

[gandahlf@capecod.net]

>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:18:44 -0400
>To: Cecil Wright <nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca>
>From: gandahlf@capecod.net
>Subject: Re: Hitler???
>In-Reply-To:
<Pine.A32.3.91.980821123142.40989B-100000@ponyx.nsh.library.ns.ca>
>References: <199808211515.LAA10787@ufpdev.>
>
>At 12:43 PM 8/21/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Too bad the players wouldn't have the same right as the NBA.  Do you 
>>limit this to just the players, or do all employees of the clubs fall 
>>under the same purview? 
>
>I say if you are going to do it then Yes!! Everyone from Ball boys to the
Pres.
>
> Or is it only players who should be tested for 
>>these illegal drugs that hurt everyone's performance (save for the Chief, 
>>of course)?  What about players who have been accused of domestic abuse?
>
>Should be hung up by the anatomically correct part!!
>  
>>Or players who have assaulted people (the Chuckster)?  They could be 
>>found guilty of offences and banned as well for committing a criminal act 
>>couldn't they? 
>Yes, suspensions and nulifications of contracts would be correct IMO.
>
>Lets not forget jail sentance either
>
> It could snowball into a major dilemma.
>>
>>If you respond to this, please don't tell us what you are saying again, 
>>but try to answer the questions I've asked, with all due respect.
>
>I agree that if you are going to make rules, then they should be enforced
in the workplace and
>on the street. IMO, this is one of the major problems with society as a
whole. If you 
>are only going to get your hand slapped, you won't be shy about doing it
again. The best example was the kid in 
>Singapore... Want to bet he will not put grafitti anyplace again. Please
don't talk to me about rights!! If you violate some elses rights...WHY
SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY????
>
>
>>
>>Cecil
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Shawn Roth wrote:
>>
>>> What I am saying is this:
>>> 
>>>   The NBA, being free to do whatever the hell they please (within the
>>>   Constitution of course) can ban whatever substance they see fit to ban.
>>>   Testing for drugs has ben held to be constitution by the US Supreme
court.
>>>   So if the NBA chooses to test for it, so be it.  
>>> 
>>>   Secondly, the reason I said I do not care if the smoke dope as long
as they
>>>   keep it quiet (in other words, don't get caught) is that I know it is
going
>>>   to happen anyway.  I do care if they do drugs, I wish they wouldn't,
and I
>>>   feel they are hurting their performances by doing drugs. What do you
mean I
>>>   can't make demands that put people's jobs in jeopardy? People's jobs
are in
>>>   jeopardy everyday if they do drugs.  I don't think it is to much of a
demand
>>>   to ask people to not do illegal activity.  You are putting yourself
and the
>>>   image of your company in jeopardy.......  I am not trying to turn
this debate
>>>   into something else, oh wait a minute yes I am, a logic debate.....
>>> 
>>> Originally from Cecil Wright:
>>> > 
>>> > That would be me who made the reference and it was made in response to 
>>> > your "perfect world" phrase.  I do not need any description of Hitler.  
>>> > As for the NBA being so private, then why is it you would be so pissed 
>>> > off at one of your team's players smoking grass?  It's a private 
>>> > business.  Nobody forces you to give them money except yourself.  
>>> > 
>>> > You seem interested in turning this debate into something else.  You've 
>>> > flip-flopped from caring very much about players smoking up to not
caring 
>>> > if they smoke as long as they keep it quiet.  I still don't know what 
>>> > side of the fence you are really on, except that you are anti-drugs
as an 
>>> > individual.  I admire you for that.  But in a free country, there is no 
>>> > place for making demands which may put people's job in jeopardy,
without 
>>> > just cause.
>>> > 
>>> > Cecil
>>> > 
>>> > On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Shawn Roth wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > > In response to the refernce to Hilter being similar in mindset to
the NBA...
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > >  Let's get this straight:  Hitler was a psychotic individual bent
on the
>>> > >  destruction of an entire race of humans and on his supreme
ascension in the
>>> > >  world geopolitical scene.  He would stop at no level of human
atrocity to get
>>> > >  there.
>>> > >  
>>> > >  The NBA is a private, free-market organization designed to make a
profit in the
>>> > >  sports entertainment industry.
>>> > >  
>>> > >  Next time you try to draw a comparison, please try to stay within
the realm of
>>> > >  reason.  Your analogy is entirely without base and substance.
>>> > >  
>>> > >  Check back in to reality.
>>> > >  
>>> > > 
>>> > > Shawn
>>> > > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>>


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