Re: must agree on maher (no Who - in other words POLITICS!)

[Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa <emerald.eyes@rcn.com>]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:21:57 -0400, "O'Neal, Kevin W."
<Kevin.ONeal@vtmednet.org> wrote:

>	>Subject: Re: must agree on maher (no Who - in other words
>POLITICS!) 
>	>From: Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa 
>>No, it really didn't. 
>
>Actually it did.
>Must have some seriously deep convictions to pull something like that off.
>I'm not saying it's admirable, and please don't try and paint me as
>sympathetic to their "cause", but it does take balls, conviction, and plenty
>of courage to do something like that.
>

I never tried to paint you as being sympathetic to them, and I'm sorry
if it came out that way at all. And I don't think that Maher is
sympathetic with them either, just dead wrong.

I just don't believe that it takes "balls, conviction and plenty of
courage" to overtake a small group of unarmed civilians and kill them,
along with themselves. It was an instantaneous death for them, as
opposed to those who were trapped in the twin towers for more than an
hour, suffocating before being crushed to death.

>>What *did* take balls was the firemen, police officers and
>>other rescue workers running into a literal towering inferno, with the
>>knowledge that they may not make it out alive.
>
>That's a given.
>
>>What on earth does this have to with "left" and "right"? 
>
>Just pointing out that it seems to be all the folks on the "right" who are
>generating this latest discussion regarding politics.  Hey, I'm not the one
>who said "left-wing idiots".

I meant to send that to someone privately, and forgot to check the
"To:" line in my email. FWIW, I was referring to loudmouth gasbags
like Alec Baldwin, and was hoping that the members of the Who at least
speak rationally and intelligently about political issues. I certainly
did NOT direct that toward anyone on this list. I may not agree with
people here, but I respect them enough not to think that of them.

>Also was wondering to myself why the only few times you post are regarding
>political topics.

Not true. I don't post often, but I do post to a few Who lists (and
other non-related lists) on an occasional basis.

>It had been suggested that some of us "idiots" were responsible for starting
>political debates in the past.  A contention that I vehemently disagree
>with.
>

I have no idea who starts what, and have never made any accusations.

>>>To learn more about how the Bush Administration is altering the official
>>>White House historical record to protect W, goto:
>>><http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56556-2002Apr15.html>
>
>>So what? 
>
>"So what"????? You're kidding, right???  This is the most blatant form of
>distortion of the facts that I've ever seen!  Ever!  I usually don't get too
>riled about political stuff, but hell, you can't go changing the historical
>record just because your boss can't speak and think for himself.
>I found the defense a while back on this list of Bush's speaking ability to
>be absolutely ludi-crisp (not to be confused with Super Sugar Crisp).  My
>recent "Bush Quotes" in my signature have been a subtle yet deliberate way
>of showing that Bush is simply (very simply) just not intelligent enough to
>be able to talk on his feet.  Talking "on the go" or "on your feet" is one
>of the purest ways of determining a person's mental capacity.  Bush has
>little.  His administration knows it and that's why they want to hide it
>from the official HISTORICAL RECORD. 
>

What facts were changed? Did you ever think that maybe the official
transcripts are based on the text of the speeches, which is written in
advance of him giving speeches?

Talking "on your feet" signifies nothing more than your comfort level
at speaking before large groups of people -- and the media. I've met
Bush and have heard him speak extemporaneously to smaller groups of
people and while I'm not terribly thrilled him these days, I can't say
that he's stupid. I judge people on the content of what they say, not
the style in which they say it.

>>It still doesn't
>
>At least you acknowledge "it's" something.
>

Something very minor.

>>compare to : "It depends on what the meaning
>>of the word 'is' is." -- Bill Clinton, 8/17/98.
>
>Ohhhhhhh yes it does, and in an equally slimy way.  Actually it's worse.
>What the Bush Administration is doing equates to a *conspiracy* to lie to
>not only this generation of Americans, but more importantly all *future*
>generations of American's as well.
>Thank god for The Press, the only organization that will keep accurate
>records of what is said.

What lie? Is the content of speeches being altered? When I was a
reporter, it was a common practice to clean up most grammatical errors
in direct quotes, unless it changed the actual content of the quotes
or if keeping the errors was somehow important to the story.

>Please don't ask me to defend Clinton and the whole Monica-scank debacle.
>That was a sad, sad thing.
>

I didn't ask you to defend it.

>>But what does all this
>>have to do with Maher being a schmuck?
>
>Not a thing.  I didn't even know who Maher is, and have never watched his
>show.  The above about censorship was part of my signature, and you felt
>compelled to comment on it.
>*Sound familiar* ?????????
>

Um, no it doesn't. I didn't comment on your signature, but on an
ongoing debate about Maher -- unless you consider a paragraph and a
link *above* your name to be a signature. I just thought it was
something you were tossing into the debate.

>>"Every one of the innocents who died on Sept. 11 was the most important
>person on earth to 
>>somebody. 
>>Every death extinguished a world." -- President George W. Bush, 12/11/2001
>
>Now, can anyone argue with *that* statement?
>I can't.
>But you see, when the man talks about something he knows about and believes
>in, he can actually speak just fine, with no speech impediment in sight.
>
>On the other hand............
>
>"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"-Florence, S.C.,
>Jan. 11, 2000
>George "boy genius" Bush
>Kevin in VT

It just means that he's not always glib when talking to large groups.

Leslie


--
"Every one of the innocents who died on Sept. 11 was the most important person on earth to somebody. 
Every death extinguished a world." -- President George W. Bush, 12/11/2001

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