RE: Let the Who/Zepp debate rage on !!!!

[neb Brockshmidt <sidender@yahoo.com>]

ok your right about it being a thing between the fans,
but i for one love the Whos music as much as led
zeppelin.  i see where u are coming from when u say
that the Who took the hard way.  i think that the Who
are greatly under appreciated (ya i cant spell) and
have not received the greatest of thanks from music
fans, everywhere and every genre.  

Rock n Roll is played loud or not played at all.
Chicago boy, who fan since age 6

--- "O'Neal, Kevin W." <Kevin.ONeal@vtmednet.org>
wrote:
> > how u can not stand Led Zeppelin but like the Who
> is
> > beyond my thinking.  both groups were pioneers of
> rock
> > and roll, but in differnt areas.
> > 
> 	[O'Neal, Kevin W.] .  First off I just want to make
> note of what
> happens when a group is told not to follow a certain
> thread.  We're all
> rebels, and I for one like to stir the pot (don't
> say it) at times!!!
> Lesson learned, people shouldn't tell people what to
> do or not do.
> Everyone, please take this discussion in the
> light-hearted manner it is
> meant.  Debating/discussing does not equate with
> arguing.  :) (notice the
> smiley faces.. :o)
> 
> 	With that said,  I personally feel it's a loyalty
> thing.  To me it's
> a contradiction to be fans of both The Who and Zepp.
> (ouch, ok, let me have
> it).  I mean after all, there is the rivalry there
> from way back.  I
> remember as a kid (1970's) always ranking the bands
> (not my personal
> opinion, but rather populous opinion) as 1) Beatles,
> 2) R. Stones, 3) Who,
> 4) Zepp..  and arguing with friends of who was
> really 3 or 4.  Also,Zep
> clearly copied The Who.  The Who was first. The Who
> were *THE* pioneers.  It
> all goes back to the early days.  Keith's comments
> on "going down like a Led
> Zeppelin", Plant blatantly copying Rogers style,
> Bonnam blatantly copying
> Keith's drumming style,  Keith and John deciding not
> to join Zepp.  The only
> things Zepp. "pioneered" were the use of a string
> bow on the electric guitar
> (something I still like and respect Page for,...then
> again, I'm a Cello
> player, so..), and how to bully record companies
> into getting what they
> want.  
> 	This leads me into another thing many don't/didn't
> like about
> Zepp....Zepp made an incredible amount of money
> while the Who did it the
> hard way, breaking ground (and other things) for
> bands like Zepp.  Wish The
> Who had the strong arm manager that Zepp
> had.....well, maybe not.
> 
> >   The Who were more
> > modern, trying new stuff that had never been done
> > before.
> > 
> 	[O'Neal, Kevin W.] That's called exploring your
> musical and creative
> talents.  If you aint got any, you're stuck. It also
> leads into class
> (social) and intelligence.
> 
> >   Led Zeppelin was more true to the roots of
> > rock and roll, more of a blues roots.  not that
> the
> > Who were not into bluse, but they were more into
> > advanceing rock and roll then remaining in the
> roots.
> > 
> 	[O'Neal, Kevin W.]  The Who took the roots and made
> tea.  Again,
> this get's into Darwin and being able to
> change/adapt/explore.  If you think
> Zepp. broke up simply because of Bonam's death,
> think again.  They were
> done. No where else to go, creatively and musically.
>  Everyone seems to have
> tried to change (with varying degrees of
> success)....The Beatles, The Who,
> Clapton,.....everyone, except Zepp. and The Stones. 
> See some
> class/intellectual separation in these two lists
> here?? 
> 	 Plus, I still haven't seen one piece of live
> footage of Zepp's that
> was any good.
> 	Getting back to intelligence and social
> class....there has always
> (in my mind) been a separation between the two bands
> that tends to go down
> social class lines.  I know this sounds strange, but
> The who was a band that
> appealed to the "intellectual" community, while Zepp
> was more of a Jack
> Daniels/biker type band.............sorry, that
> sounds awful.......I really
> do like the biker community....(my buddy Stu...aka
> "Stooooo" :)  is a HUGE
> Who fan and is married to a HUGE Zepp fan who is a
> biker too.....makes for
> interesting dinner conversation)....I can't think of
> a better way to put
> this though (yes I can hear the can of worms being
> opened).  Try and see
> what I'm saying, not just the words.
> 
> > Rock n Roll is played loud or not played at all.
> > Chicago boy, who fan since age 6
> 	[O'Neal, Kevin W.]  I'm with you here!!!
> 
> > PS. Can't stand Led Zepplin.
> > Inga J. Glodowski
> > 
> 	[O'Neal, Kevin W.]  He, he.   ;-) 
> 
> > >	[O'Neal, Kevin W.]  Reminds me of a post on
> Pete's site where
> > >someone wrote regarding Page/Who tour...something
> like "I want the Who to
> > >tour alone, I don't want to hear assholes yelling
> "ROCK AND ROLL !!!"
> > ;-)
> > 
> > Pththtp :-P.  But they'll feel much better if The
> Who DOES tour alone,
> > with
> > the drunken buttheads bellowing "MAGIC BUS !!!" as
> if they were the first
> > person ever to appreciate the song?
> > I've seen it all too often,
> > Alan
> > 
> 	[O'Neal, Kevin W.]  Hey, who you callin' a
> butthead??  I thought I
> *was* the first??  Kidding aside, that post on
> Pete's site, mentioned above,
> in my mind supported my thoughts on class
> separation/intellectual community,
> etc..  
> 	OK, fire away.  I've got my football helmet on.
> 	It's all a loyalty/rivalry thing in my mind. 
> Again, *some* of
> Zepp's music *does* "get me going", but that's as
> far as it goes, and that's
> not too far.
> 
> 	Stay in tune,
> 	Kevin in Vt (bracing for retorts).
> 
> 

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