Re: The Who Vs The Rest

[Slipkid@gnn.com (Ian Derby)]

>
>>I have to disagree with this.  First of all, there was a true blues
> movement 
>>coming out of Britian in the mid 60's while the Who were exploring the
> R+B 
>>angle in their music.  Zeppelin is clearly influenced by Cream and John 
>>Mayhall before the Who pop into the equation.  Since Jimmy Page was bred 
>>with one of the earliest brit blues bands (Yardbirds) I have to throw out 
>>the Who influence completely. 
>
>Ian:
>I said Zeppelin, not Page. I think it's clear that Zep II (and after) shows
>Who influence.
>Now that we've established that it was in fact Plant that was the majority
>shareholder in the Zep songwriting arena, there is no conflict with a Who
>influence.


When did we establish this fact?  I feel Page is the primary writer in every 
Zep song up to say Houses of the Holy.  Musically, Page has always been the 
main songwriter.  Plant basically learned to write songs from Page and 
you'll notice that he gradually gains an equal partnership.  But it's not 
until Houses of the Holy that Plant's influence comes through on many of the 
songs.   

>BTW, Cream came after The Who. I think The Yardbirds would closer to a pure
>example.
>Also, I never said that Zep was ONLY influenced by The Who.


I didn't say you did.  But what does Cream coming after the Who have to do 
with anything?  Cream's early sound is straight from Mayall, which is why I 
included him.  Again what Mayall and the Yardbirds were doing was totally 
different from the Who's direction and Zep II is clearly from the former's 
style.  

>>The Who's lasting impact on rock music is on stage presence, and their
> songs 
>>that eventually influenced punk in the late 70's.  
>
>I would say The Who's influence goes a lot deeper than mere stage
> presence. 

On the surface, it doesn't.  


>>From this I would say VU had a clear influence on the US punk bands while
>the >Who were all over the UK punk bands of the same period.  Comparing the
>Jam to >the Talking Heads is a good start.  
>
>Actually, The Talking Heads' major influence was (was is called) Bubble
> Gum.
>As they themselves have said. 

Where did you read this?  Three of the members were huge James Brown fans 
and also listed Lou Reed as an influence.  Psycho Killer has VU written all 
over it.  

And again I must disagree; the British Punks
>certainly were exposed to VU...Bowie brought Lou Reed's music to the
>forefront in the early 70s.


I never said that they weren't exposed to VU, but it's obvious that their 
music points in the Who's direction.





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