Re: Who influenced who(m)

["william sturm" <hapijac@xxxxxxx>]

Geez everybody knows the experience were stone cold who fanatics lol.Just
listen to LIVE AT WINTERLAND.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Schrade, Scott" <sschrade@ascpl.lib.oh.us>
To: <thewho@igtc.com>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Who influenced who(m)


> > Sad, sad...
>
> Why is agreeing with Paul McCartney on something "sad?"
>
> > Anyone who wants to dispute that Hendrix was HEAVILY influenced
> > by The Who and Townshend in particular, feel free to step up to
> > the plate.
>
> "Batting first: Scott Schrade!"  Apart from amplification & the
> autodestruction what other evidence is there, Professor Leaman?
> Guitar playing style?  No.  Songwriting style?  No.
>
> All I hear from you people (!) as evidence of influence are things
> other musicians stole from The Who's live show.  And that's got more
> to do with band competition rather than artistic influence.
>
> > As powerchords used as emphasis, yes. It's like a counterpoint, in Jazz.
>
> Maybe, but I'm still doubtful.
>
> > HA! I knew you'd give me that opening!
>
> Damn!  I fell into Mark's trap!  Sly bugger.
>
> > What about "I'm gonna know you woman/And you're gonna know me..."
> > "Know," in the Biblical sense, obviously.
>
> That's *your* interpretation.  Maybe *you're* the crude one!  Seriously,
> if that is the true meaning of the lyrics then it only goes to prove my
> point that The Who (Pete) used crudeness in a more subtle & intelligent
> manner than the Cock Rock bands that came later.  I think *you* fell into
> *my* trap, Professor Leaman!  May I be excused?
>
> > Otherwise it wouldn't have created such emotion in young Roger Daltrey.
>
> I'm pretty sure there wasn't a "lack of emotion" that needed to be over-
> come in the young Roger Daltrey.  Or the old Roger Daltrey, for that
> matter.
>
> > > it's an intelligent crudeness (!),
> > Is that like "compassionate conservatism," a term with no actual
meaning?
>
> No, it's not.  Benny Hill is an example of intelligent crudeness, also.
> So is Howard Stern.
>
> > > Bartok? Wasn't he in Star Wars?
> > Classical composer.
>
> You'll excuse me, my CD & vinyl collection is lacking a bit in the clas-
> sical department.
>
> > Take those earmuffs off!
>
> They're permanent!  They won't budge!
>
> > Argue with Weller, then, because that's what HE said.
>
> Weller said what?  That Jam songs sound like early Who?  Or that he just
> liked & admired Pete Townshend?  Which is it?
>
> > It's true The Who was the main influence for Punk. The Who and The
> > Kinks. Don't believe me? Ask the Sex Pistols and/or Clash.
>
> I don't know that *that's* even true.  The Punks *accepted* The Who &
> didn't give them the shit they gave other "dinosaur bands" but I don't
> know of *any* Punk band who has stated that they were trying to *emulate*
> The Who by getting into music.  They had their own reasons & The Who just
> happened to be the least offensive of the older bands to them.
>
> Now, Joey Ramone was a HUGE early Who fan, yet strangely one doesn't hear
> much Who influence in the Ramones.  More Beach Boys than Who.  Explain
> *that,* Professor Leaman!
>
> > When you get it out, let's take a trip to Leeds on 2/14/70 how `bout?
>
> I'm there!  We could pick up some hot English chicks, too!
>
> > > So you're saying that if The Who hadn't gone to the Marshall stack
> > > we'd be without it even today? That's absurd.
> > No it's not. Lots of things don't get developed due to lack of funding.
> > Happens all of the time.
>
> "Lack of funding?"  What are you talking about?  You know for a fact
> that if The Who hadn't started requesting bigger amplification another
> band would have.  You're ducking the question like a politician.  Smoke
> & mirrors.  Smoke & mirrors.
>
> > The story Lennon gave out, about leaving his guitar leaning against
> > an amp, is pure BS.
>
> So, you're right - & Lennon's a liar.  Actually, I'm kind of with you on
> this one.  I said "Prove it" just to throw your own words back at you.
> Lennon's thievery then is another example of an artist stealing from The
> Who's live act.
>
> > Anyone who's ever used an electric guitar knows better than that...
> > feedback was a thing to be AVOIDED until Townshend.
>
> I agree.
>
> > Haven't you ever had your heart shredded? DUDE!
>
> I blocked a lot of that stuff out.
>
> > WAY is just the story of a drunken night. You think that's dangerous?
>
> Getting drunk, getting into fights, sleeping on the street, waking up
> with a cop standing over you....?  Yes, I'd call that dangerous.
>
> > Yes, unless you're expecting a note-for-note copy, like SOMEONE I
> > could mention.
>
> ?????  Moi?
>
>
> - SCHRADE in Akron