Waitaminute... On tireack the 5000s have a much higher treadwear rating...doesn't that mean they are not nearly as sticky? -- John A. Kilpatrick john@hypergeek.net Email| http://www.hypergeek.net/ john-page@hypergeek.net Text pages| ICQ: 19147504 "Where quality is like a dead stinking rat - you just can't miss it."