Re: [Fwd: SCARRRYY!!!!]

["Michael & Carmen Keith" <mikeandcarmen@pdq.net>]

Hey Joseph!

It's cool to hear from another lister in TX.  Unfortunately, I live in
Pasadena, where the air is greener (refinery town joke); so I won't be able
to make it up to Austin this weekend.  I'll send you an e-mail if I do get a
chance to make it to Austin.  My employer has offices there, & I
occasionally have to go there.

If you're ever at Texas World Speedway, look for me.  I'll definitely be at
any SCCA events & maybe at a Porsche Club event.  My car is the white Golf
#74 that looks beat to Hell.  It an ex-Golf Cup car; so it's been racing
since 1985, & it shows.

By the way, does your club have any affiliation with Club H2O?  Just
curious.

Later!
-----Original Message-----
From: S. Joseph Mann <joem@pswtech.com>
To: jettaglx@igtc.com <jettaglx@igtc.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: SCARRRYY!!!!]


>Ok guys, (George and Michael)
>
>George, You're not getting my Bud Light, and Michael, you're right, its
more fun
>to fight (compete). And I think that's were this kind of bickering comes
form.
>A key characteristic of many of us (Car enthusiasts) is a heightened level
of
>competition.  And since we can not always compete directly with each other
on
>the street or track, it tends to come out in our emails.  YES, I can be an
>asshole. I'll be the first to admit it.  Now George, I'm sure your a great
guy
>and a talented racer. But when someone comes out and says they almost lost
>control of a perfectly derivable car, on four separate occasions, on public
>roads, in the proximity of other vehicles, I'm going to stand up and say;
>"IDIOT, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!!".  It's that simple.  I'm sure your a great
guy,
>but your story did not show a great deal of intelligence that evening.
Just
>chill until you replace the crappy stock suspension. Don't do 10/10ths (as
>Michael puts it) on public roads.  As for Canyon runs, I lived in Costa
Mesa, in
>Orange Co. for a year on a consulting gig.  I did a number of canyon runs
in my
>GLX with the ass hanging out all over the place, and I've taken my
ex-girlfriend
>GTI though a beautiful sweeping 90 degree turn sideways.  But there was no
one
>around. I endangered no ones life but my own.
>
>Oh, Michael, I do live in Texas, Austin.  And I run a little VW club here.
As a
>matter of fact, we're having a meeting this weekend at Rudy's BBQ on N 183.
If
>you're in the neighbor hood feel free to stop by.  That goes for anyone in
the
>area.
>
>You're all good guys, and I wish you the best of luck on the TRACK.
>
>Joe
>President, AustinVW Club
>
>
>Michael & Carmen Keith wrote:
>
>> Joseph:
>>
>> If you have never come close to losing control, you're not pushing the
car
>> hard enough.
>>
>> Seriously though, I don't think your criticism of George's driving was
>> warranted.  He was only trying to point out the drastic difference
between a
>> well modified suspension & a stock suspension, & his points are valid.
>> However, you have to push a stock suspension very hard to notice any of
>> this.  If you only drive the car at 7 to 8/10th's, it feels perfectly
fine.
>>
>> I can relate to George's experience.  After a race weekend, my GLX (with
>> stock suspension) feels like complete shit because I've become accustomed
to
>> driving a 2100 pound race car with sticky tire at 10/10th's.  I have to
be
>> really careful until I reacquaint myself with the GLX's substantially
lower
>> cornering limits.
>>
>> By the way, if you can't make it to CA so that George can spank you
around
>> the race track, come to Texas instead, & I'd be happy to do it for him.
I'm
>> on your side George, but don't come near me with that Buick station
wagon!
>>
>> Forget the group hug, it's more fun to fight!
>>
>> Michael Keith
>> '98 Jetta GLX
>> '85 Golf SCCA ITB/DSP
>
>George Turner, Jr. wrote:
>
>> ok...let me set the record straight.
>> I know you all marvel at my stunning driving ability and would like to be
like
>> me!..8)
>> but what I consider an almost accident may be different from some of you
guys.
>>
>> I consider taking an onramp at 50 mph when I usually take the same ramp
at
>> 80..and half way thru the ramp there is a dip.  on the dip, the back end
of
>> the car hops into the next lane, almost hitting another car.  *almost
accident
>> #1*.. but my stunning driving ability allowed me to keep control of the
car.
>> I can honestly say that I can drive soo good, that I can do a 720 on the
>> freeway in a Buick station wagon going 85+ mph and still keep the car
>> rolling.. not rolling over, but going with the flow of traffic, and
continue
>> going with the flow of traffic.
>> *almost accident #2*.. driving in a straight line @ 70mph and you come
across
>> a raised portion of the freeway.  with stock suspension, it darn near
makes
>> the car jump and bounce into the next lane, almost hitting another car.
with
>> a race set up, the car does not bounce (but you would not know that if
you
>> never drove or owned one).  tens of thousands of people drive the same
>> suspension every day, but not everyone is use to driving a finely tuned
>> machine like mines.  I invite any of you to come *test* my driving skills
out
>> on some cali cyn's.  the last two people who challenged me are now
driving
>> rentals.  for some reason, they could not keep their cars on the
pavement.  it
>> is hard to drive a stock car when you are use to driving a race car.  I
can
>> honestly say, that if you never lost control of a car, you have not been
>> driving long enough.  you have to lose control of your car a couple time
to
>> see what the car can do.  going around turns with your tires crying does
not
>> constit!
>> ute pushing or racing your car.  when you become a real driver and stop
>> playing around in rentals... come out with me and the Porsche club at
willow
>> springs and see how your glx will fare against mines...
>> until next time... on the track, or on a cyn run...you call the shot.
>> george (and his amazing driving skills)
>> I am not afraid to say it....... I still love you.
>> george
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