RE: Bottom End Performance Mods

[Bryan Billings <vwxcross@worldnet.att.net>]

Well Dana,

According to my BMW Dealer, Dinnan and BMW have a agreement. This was not 
installed at time of purchase.  As far as I know if the dealer installs the 
chip then the factory warranty is not VOID.  Dinnan and BMW have worked 
together to develop the chip.  BMW wants part of the aftermarket action as 
well.  If VW did this many other people on the list would get a chip.

I have a question for you.  So Jon Doe blew his VR6. Rod right through the 
pan.  Well what's to say that you cant just take the chip out then put the 
old one back in.  Turn the key and purge the memory.   How would they prove 
it then?

I also can't see them measuring the cam or blaming the exhaust in this 
situation either.  Time is money.  VW is paying for the new engine not the 
dealer.  Chances are if they make a big deal about it the engine it won't 
get fixed there anyway due to cost.  So why would they loose the business 
rather than ignore the mods.  As you know the dealers are in this for the 
money.  They still get paid by VW.

Oh and let me say this, I have a friend that bought his GTI VR6 in Seattle 
they put a K&N cone filter and nospeed springs in it from the show room 
floor.  I am tempted to believe that it all depends who you dealer is.  I 
have bought a 1994 GLS, 1997 GLX, 1987 Cabriolet, 1997 BMW 318ti Club Sport 
and a 1998 Beetle from the dealer.  They don't fuck with me.  I have bought 
to many cars from them to risk loosing business.  The next thing will be a 
Boxter.

Enough said

Bryan



-----Original Message-----
From:	Dana Schrader [SMTP:schrader@dwx.com]
Sent:	Friday, October 09, 1998 7:53 PM
To:	jettaglx@igtc.com
Subject:	RE: Bottom End Performance Mods

OK. Let me rephrase since you didn't get it the first time.

Not all Dinan chips are handled directly by the BMW dealership. If the
dealership is familiar with the chips, sure they'll warranty them. Our 
local
BMW dealer is reluctant to work under warranty with many performance parts.
(They don't seem to have a problem with that after warranty, though. ;-) )
Regardless, I never said they were or weren't warrantied. I said they
weren't always handled by BMW. The reason my BMW didn't have a chip was for
that simple reason. The dealership wouldn't recognize it as a factory item.
I didn't need the chip bad enough to risk any engine damage being blamed 
for
a chip by the local dealership. Could I have fought it? Sure. I just didn't
feel the need. If you want to go through those battles, GREAT! Not me.

The fact that your local dealer is a Dinan rep gives you a one-up on 
dealers
that aren't. They are going to know what they sell. Are the majority of the
BMW dealerships Dinan reps? I doubt it. That's why the comment of "USUALLY
not BMW warrantied". If that is not the case, then I am wrong. I wish our
dealership were more enthusiastic about performance parts than they are.
That was one of the reasons I sold mine.

Send to me directly if you have any further comments. We don't need to tie
up the list with this.

"The Dinan chips you mention are USUALLY not BMW warrantied. They are
covered by a Dinan
warranty. In addition, you are basically paying for that warranty at the
time of purchase. Look at the PRICE of Dinan parts compared to other BMW
tuners."

They either are warranted or arn't.  Whats this USUALLY?! have you ever had
a dinnan chip with a BMW?  I have and they work hand in hand with BMW and
they are accepted by BMW.  The delear here in denver is a rep for dinnan.
 Sound like you are talking about things you know nothing about.
I think we should call you answer BOY! Cause you seem to have all the
answers.  I don't claim to know it all but this is a personal experience I
have had.