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Re: Clutch Prob (Long, but please read)



     they will give you a loner when you pay for the rental!  they never 
     gave me a loaner during all the work they did on my lemon.  If they 
     say specifically that they will give you a loaner, free of charge, 
     then give them a try, otherwise go to Sunnyvale VW and just rent a car 
     for $20, it will be worth you while.  I went to Carlson because it was 
     convient to my work also, but it became NOT SO CONVIENT the 6th and 
     7th time I had to return to have the same problem worked on.
     
     
     Here is a copy of the message I sent to some one else discribing my 
     rough idle problem and all the hassel with Carlson.  Maybe you will 
     reconsider.  Oh, and also I too had a problem with my transmition in 
     my GLX, grinding from 1st to 2nd, took it to Carlson and they told me 
     nothing was wrong "unable to reproduce at this time"  So  after awhile 
     when the problem was still there I took it to Sunnyvale VW and as it 
     turns out I needed new snycros 1, 2, new gear hubs 1,2,3,and a new 2 
     gear, and all the the seals excetera.  Carlson was just unwilling to 
     lift a finger and look in the transmition.  They don't listen to there 
     customers and their shop doesn't have the latest in equipment.  
     Sunnyvale does have the most advanced VW equipment on the Peninsula, 
     Carlson knows it, and Carlson is too busy with it's nose up the ass of 
     Porsche owners to care about us and our VW's.  Sorry for all the 
     ranting but I have had it with Carlson, and I even bought my car 
     there.
     
     
     OLD story please read.
     
     Hi my name is andy and I hope I can help you.  I had a similar problem 
     with my VR6 Jetta.  It would idle rough at stops but only 
     intermitantly, my gas milage went down, and later on I noticed things 
     like my lights diming when I would step on the breaks. Also the car 
     would fail to start on the first 2 key turns occasionally.  This 
     problem started at about 29,000 miles, I had the 30,000 tune up and 
     thought that it would be fixed (plugs?).  It didn't.  What followed 
     was 7 trips back to the same dealer to try and fix the problem.  Most 
     of the time they would fix nothing, or say "unable to reproduce at 
     this time" or they would replace a part that they though it could be 
     but it wasn't.  Here's what they checeked etc.  The replace the 
     ignition wires ( they are known to arc if they are the old ones ie. 
     black, new ones are red) they checked the O2 sensor, EGR valve (both 
     know to go bad)  They replaced the B+ harness, (known to short and 
     fail in earily VR6), they reset the ECU to basic settings.  They 
     checked the alternator, and battery, and all the grounding connections 
     to the motor. During each of these trips they would chec the OBD 
     computer a "1551" as they call it, and find no error codes.  They 
     tired to blame it on the performance chip I had in the car, wrong, I 
     took it out and it still had the problem, they tried to blame the K&N 
     air filter I had, wrong, I removed it and there was still the problem. 
      They final clue(found by Sunnyvale VW) was that a protion of the B+ 
     harness was showing a 1 volt drop from the battery to the ECU from 
     13.5v to 12.5v.  This was the problem.  One of the connections to the 
     battery had become corroded and was building up resistence.  
     Apparently it had been crimped on poorly, causing some arcing, causing 
     corrosion, causing heat, melting the wire cover and causing resistence 
     and the voltage drop.  This caused the ECU to recieve wrong 
     information and essentially de-tune the car, (gas milage prob) and 
     cause the rough idle, cause incorrect voltage to power the lights, 
     charge the battery etc.  All these problems, 3 months of greif, 8 
     trips to the dealer, and numerous unneeded repairs, money etc (car is 
     out of warranty) just for one bad connection that was over looked and 
     didn't trip an error code in the computer.  However now my car is 
     running correctly, my milage is up, performance etc.  Don't  let them 
     give up!  The VR6 is known for being a smooth engine that's way you 
     payed for a 6 cylinder.  Don't let them be fooled just becuase it 
     doesn't trip an error code.  I had times when I thought I was just 
     being too picky and feeling a rough idle that wasn't there but IT WAS. 
      I don't know where you are located but I am in the San Francisco Bay 
     area and I would recommend Sunnyvale VW.
     
     Good Luck
     andy
     
     PS if the dealer you go to is not accomidating, do not hessitate to 
     call VW customer care and make a complaint, and set up an appointment 
     with a factory rep. and your dealer.
     
     Andy


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Subject: Re: Clutch Prob
Author:  Non-HP-kilpatri (kilpatri@cs.ucdavis.edu) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw6
Date:    6/26/97 3:32 PM


     
On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 ANDREW_ATWELL@HP-PaloAlto-om20.om.hp.com wrote:
     
>      I would like to discourage you from having work done at Carlson.  They 
>      have proven to be extremely incompetent when it comes to diagnosing 
>      problems and repairing them, I guarentee that the will say nothing is 
>      worng or "cannot reproduce at this time".  I have had endless amounts 
>      of greif working with them including returning 7 times for the same 
>      problem that they could not fix (rough idle, maybe you have seen my 
>      posts here before) and then in one half of a day it was fixed by 
>      Sunnyvale VW.  Don't bother being dicked around by Carlson service 
>      people.  Go to Sunnyvale VW (used to be Stan Antonio.  You have been 
>      warned!
     
Well, I gave Sunnyvale a call.  They said if I had it in there Monday 
morning by 7:45 they'd be able at least to do my service, and take a look 
at the clutch.  They have a "delivery service" that can get me to work, 
but no way to get me home.  Carlsen seemed to indicate that they would
be able to give me a loaner if they needed to keep my car.  But as a 
consultant, I don't have the same leeway a regular employee has to say "Oh 
I'll be late today, my car is getting worked on."
     
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